S02E54 2022 CROSSFIT AGE GROUP SEMIFINAL DEBRIEF
The 2022 CrossFit Age Group Semifinals are complete! Dave competed in the Mens 34-39 Age Group over the Memorial Day weekend, having previously made the top 30 in the world in the Quarterfinals. Dave breaks down his experience of each extremely challenging workout and his approach to Semis in general. In addition, Dave and Sam give their thoughts overall about CrossFit's programming and future trends for Masters athletes.
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S02E54 2022 CROSSFIT AGE GROUP SEMIFINAL DEBRIEF
[00:35:54] David Syvertsen: All right. Welcome back to the HerdFit podcast. I'm coach David Syvertsen here with Dr. and coach Sam Rhee we are here for another episode of the Herd Fit podcast. We are going to break down the Age Group Semifinal Workouts. We know that a lot of our listeners are in that that tier, that group of people.
Just looking at. At some of our past downloads when we talk about the age group stuff and the quarterfinals there's a lot of, a lot of people that listen in on that. So kind of want to break down just a little disclaimer, it's not going to be too much about me and my workouts. I really kind of want to break the workouts and I will obviously give some personal experience but more on breaking down the programming because we did that for the whole.
We did that for quarters. Well, you know, I want to do that for semis. And then once the games happen, I kind of want to break some of that stuff down too. We just got done with it. We started Thursday afternoon slash Thursday night and it just ended Sunday morning slash Sunday afternoon for everybody.
And we just got Sam and I both just got done doing Murph. Um, And yes, I did do it at the, after the weekend. I felt like that's something we watched the lone survivor last night. And just feel like after you watched that movie, which is, has Murph in it, if anyone wants to know it almost feel like it has to do it no matter how sore, how tired you are.
Sam, from your perspective, we'll break down each workout, workout by workout. Just what were your view because you're, you, you keep a close eye on a lot of this stuff with the open, the quarterfinals as time-wise, what are your thoughts on the summer
[00:37:12] Sam Rhee: workouts? It's interesting.
I think a boss, Adrian Bosman said. Extremely excited about this programming. He was, he kept a close eye on it. I think the general opinion out there was that it was very positive. I think I actually, it's so funny, Andrew Hiller drives me nuts about a lot of stuff, but he has some good points.
It's just surrounded by this crazy language and about 20 minutes of junky stuff in it. But yeah, but his point was, it was good. And he said it was sort of geared toward the bigger athlete, which I would have to agree. I watched you do most of the workouts and I know that a it's so hard to get a hot take after something like this.
Especially if you're not meeting the expectations that you had set for yourself. Absolutely. And, and some of it for me is talking to you because I know you don't want to make it about yourself, but I do find it really. Important for me to learn from other athletes, not, they always say, right, you learn more from your failures than your successes.
100%. And so rather than me trying these workouts, which I can't do really and failing, I would rather listen to you and what your takeaway is and your mental mindset and, and how you approached every workout and what you do. The whole
[00:38:33] David Syvertsen: thing represented. Yeah, definitely. We'll, we'll dive into each workout, but big picture.
I agree with you. I, I track all the semi-final workouts from obviously the age group, but also the semi-finals that Joe Pierre was going to, which was our last week's episode. The Mid-Atlantic the syndicate crown, the, even the lowlands Torreon South Africa, I look at all the semifinal programming and I think in my opinion, the age group, semifinal workouts for the best ones.
And they, they were the ones that were programmed by cross it across. It gave two workouts to all of the semifinals that they had to do, and they kind of give parameters for what they had to do on the other ones. But I just felt, I felt that these workouts were the best, like Tessa fitness. And this is coming from someone that just came in.
28 out of 30 people in my age group. And I will say, I think this was the best program that found the fittest group, the fittest in that group. It
[00:39:27] Sam Rhee: seems like this is one of the few beginning work at events where Dave Castro's touch wasn't on them. So the open had his fingers all over it, great point quarters.
And for example, even, I mean, we'll get into it, but you know, we've never seen bench press, there are a lot of things in here. Art a very different take on what CrossFit is, . I mean, I love Dave Castro. I thought his programming was amazing, but I think it also bodes well for the people
[00:39:51] David Syvertsen: who are programming now.
Yeah. And I, I mean that I I'm on the same page as you that programming I've always said this programming it, there is talent within it. It is hard. It's not rocket science. You can't come at Dave Castro is the only one that knows how to program. And I think now that he's out, you see some of these rising stars or some of these behind the scenes guys, like Adrian Bosman, who know cross it to its core, but they also know CrossFit games to the court.
There's a difference. And, but you can blend the two. And I thought the programming that Adrian put together for the age online was. Some of the best I've ever seen. So we can dive into the first one saying, what was the first workout? The
[00:40:32] Sam Rhee: first one was now we're going to just go off the men 35 to 39.
Cause that's what you did. Yep. It's slightly different for everyone else, women, different age groups, but we'll just go off the 35 39. Yup. It was a 500 meter row 30 bench. Thousand meter row 20 bench press 2000 meter row, 10 bench press at 180 5 time cap, 30 minutes. I'll tell you what my take. When I first looked at, I was
[00:40:55] David Syvertsen: like, Hmm, not, not so bad.
Yeah. Yeah. And then I watch you do it. And I was like, okay, really, really bad. Yeah, that was, this was the workout that surprised me. More than any worked out that has surprised me in CrossFit over the past. I'd say five to six years. I mean that, and what's really cool about this workout. A lot of people don't know this.
This was a crossfit.com main site workout in 2006. But the weight was body weight. So the workout was the same workout, same breaths, but it was your body weight on the barbell. And it was kind of cool. Sean Woodland talked about, what, the times where he's back in the day, that's what you did. You went to crosses.com.
You posted your name and Josh Burgess was on there. Adrian Bosman was on there, in the mid twenties. I think it was like 22, 23 minutes for those guys who were benching 1 65 at the time, because that's the body weight. I was just cool that there's like, that's, that's, what's cool about having Adrian involved in this stuff.
There's history involved that some people probably don't even know that they don't even care about. But to me, I think that's really cool. So I looked at that workout and this just goes to show how wrong I was bad. I was like, I think I could be top five in that workout. And because I'm very confident on the.
And I did real well. And, but the bench press, I don't bench that much, but I've always kind of looked at a movement like, ah, like I benched a lot growing up, like I'm, I'm fine. And I got slapped in the face by that bench and it's not a heavy bench for me. I want to say that's probably. If anyone wants to put it in perspective about 65%, 60% of a one-arm max.
And what's funny about that kind of workout. I'm trying to think of like channel my inner Hinshaw is your upper body gets so fatigued to the point where you lose you. Couldn't I couldn't get off the bench and go do a bench, press a pushup, my packs and triceps. And there's no. Else on your body that can help you out with that movement.
So once like that lactate threshold builds up, like once you blow through it, there's nothing that you can call and reserve to kind of flush it out, like a handstand pushup. Yeah, exactly. And it's exactly like that. Like if anyone's ever been at like sheer failure and a handstand pushup, that's the point I got to, and usually in cross at workouts that are intense.
Anytime you're trying to go fast. But try to blow through upper body failure. You're kind of screwed for that workout. And I kind of felt that right away on the set of 30. And so I, I bled through the 30, a little slower than I wanted to. I was pissed. So I got on the thousand meter row and wrote it pretty fast.
And then I got to the set of 20 and that's when I got really slapped in the face. I was projecting about a minute 30 to get those 20 done and it took me four 20. And that's when I knew, I'm like, yup. I just got my bucket and I finished the workout. Obviously the Mo one of the more miserable two K rose in my entire life got the 10 Don.
And I think I was in the twenties and the next day I ended up doing it again, because again, for the sake of the competition, right? It's like, Hey, if I can get a few more points I need to get to. And I did, I went two minutes faster and there should be a lesson that we've talked about in this podcast.
Several times, the only difference I did and I was sore as anything. Was I paste it Elena, why pace? But I, what I did was I laid in bed that night disappointed and said, basically I wrote everything in about 12 minutes. So that means it took me eight minutes to do 60 bench press reps. So that means on average, I was doing seven to eight reps permanent.
So if I can figure out a way to get 10 to 11 reps permanent, I will be faster. Right. So that's what I did. I did five. Rested about 20 seconds, five bench press rest, 20 seconds, five benchmarks. And that alone just put me ahead of a pace. And that's what got me better. This is a big guy workout too.
[00:44:32] Sam Rhee: It's a machine plus 60 bench press.
And so if you're a big guy you should be able to do really well on it. And if you look at the numbers of the top athletes,
[00:44:42] David Syvertsen: Where was it like 15? I think a couple guys might have even broken 15. And the T the two guys that are at the top of the division after the whole weekend, Sam dancer and the sky. I can't pronounce his name from Greece, but I looked him up on Instagram.
He's like, he's scary. He's huge. And both those guys probably RO you know, extremely fast. And when you weigh more and you have longer levers, it is easier to run. So these guys are both pushing, I think two 20, which is huge for a CrossFitter and they rode their butt off, but they also, it looks like they did the bench press.
I just did some quick math in my head. They probably did the bench press in two sets on the thirties and twenties. So that just means they're incredibly strong and have incredible power. And what Bob Jennings always says, like this programming for this. These is about sustained power. So like everyone could be powerful, powerful for like a minute on the rower.
Can you be powerful for 15 minutes on the rower? And that's what those guys have.
[00:45:35] Sam Rhee: I would like to try this work out myself at 1 35 and see where I go with it. Like that. That's that's how good this programming was. I looked at it. I was like, I want to try it all scaled down, but I felt like I want to see what that feels like to get slapped in the face on that 20.
Again, misleading when you look at it. Yeah. And then you do it and you're just like,
[00:45:56] David Syvertsen: yeah. I mean, I failed. So the first time I did it, I failed three red. During my set of 20, I think it was three. And the fails they kill you and work out like this because your S 15 seconds, it fail a rep. Now you have the rest of 40 more before you get one.
Right? So like that alone just adds like minutes to work out. But I have never, in my life failed a 180 5 bench press, and like, that's, what's cool. Like, I can remove myself from like my own emotion about my own performance. That's what's cool about this. It's CrossFit is humbling. Not just in like I did good.
I did bad. It will make you fail at things that you've never failed at before know, and it really is a cool thing and unique. And that's why I think cross at work so well, so yeah, that workout was definitely a big guy, favored the guys that did do really well great aerobic capacity, but also just good on the rower.
So if you weigh more, it helps a little bit more and they could, they be. And, and what can you do better? Did you bet at that workout is benchmark because honestly there's not much else you can do to get
[00:46:54] Sam Rhee: better at Ben. Obviously you were pretty disappointed after the first time you ranked it, you got faster.
How did you think after this first one that.
[00:47:02] David Syvertsen: I went into the weekend saying that I needed this one to be good. Like, I knew that when I saw the programming week ahead of time, I knew I would have a bad couple of events, but because there's only 30 people, you can't afford to have a ranking of 25th out of 30 in a workout, maybe.
But you'd have to kill everything else. And this was one of the ones I thought I would kill. And that was like, just immediately like, wow, this is real. Like these guys. That's when I looked at this group of guys, I'm like just all the respect to them. Like the fitness level of these guys is just incredible.
It's hard to be really good at both of those movements. And there's 30 guys that were really good
[00:47:38] Sam Rhee: at it. This 35 to 39 is no joke. A lot of them they just broke in. They're killing it. I mean, these guys. I don't know how they do on the individual side, but then they they're right there.
[00:47:49] David Syvertsen: Yeah. I mean, Sam dancer would have met a semifinal. If he did not want to go masters, I think I would. I even think the top 10 guys from our group would have, could have competed at somebody's final. If they wanted to made the games, maybe it would have been close. But it's, I think now, like I started watching the sport pretty closely about 10 years ago, maybe nine years.
And those guys were all 25 at the time. And they had their time maybe disappeared for a couple of years because, you get older, it you're competing against 21 year olds, 22 year olds. But now all those guys at 35, and that's what I think cross it is needing to see, even rich Froning just recently said next year, I'm a masters.
Like everybody is going to get there. And some of these guys that have that competitive fire, you get to age 30, 1 30, 2 33. It's like, all right, I can't just hang with those little guys, the young guys in. But once they turn 35, it can reignite that fire. And, Sam dancers still same dancer and
[00:48:46] Sam Rhee: Alison Dan Bailey, James Hobart.
They did not even make it to this level. Yeah. So you got to see where these guys are coming
[00:48:53] David Syvertsen: from, right? Yeah, absolutely.
[00:48:54] Sam Rhee: Yep. All right. Workout number two, eight rounds for time. One legless rope climb. Six farmers carries.
70 pounds, and then a 15 box jumps, 30, 30 inches time cap
[00:49:06] David Syvertsen: 20. Yep. So this was a workout that I viewed as like another one that was kind of like in the middle where like, I didn't think I would kill it, but I don't think I'd do that poorly.
So I was like, all right, just kind of get some damage control, maybe exceed expectations a little bit. And I had a goal, I practice a couple of little things early in the week. I had a goal of. Under, I think it was 14 minutes, 13 minutes. And I thought that would be again, pretty competitive. And this is where I just underestimated the group who I was competing against.
I want to say in the back, I think I was 13 something, 1330, and I think I came in 28th, out of 30. And I remember looking at that and that was the, that was the sign. Even more than the bench press one where I was like, this group is, they are monsters and I know exactly. Happened. And I view whenever I see legless rope climbs and workout, I'm like, all right, it's a legless workout the guy to chill there at this stage.
If you're the top 30 out of 3000, every can legless. Like you're not going to get there. If you can't let it, it would be very rare to someone that can't legless. And I think I'm kind of disappointed the fact that that's what I was looking at. I just saw legless McCarty, you got to go and PharmaCare.
He was like, that's a grippy workout. Make sure you rest on the box jumps so that your grip is good enough for those leg lifts. And so I stepped off the box on, there was 120 box jumps. Right. I stepped off on 115 of them, I think. So you stepped down instead of jumping down. Yeah. So not only did I. I also don't rebound box jumps and I've made that decision a few years ago because of calf issues, Achilles issues.
But I am now kind of formulating that thought. That's one of the things I've reflected on that if you do want to compete at the, at the highest level, I don't want to see. Compete in general. If you want to compete at the highest level you have to rebound. And anyone that does not know what rebound is, you have to jump off the box and spring off the ground, and then jump back up to the box.
Jumping off the box, landed. And then jumping back up, that's not rebounding. It's literally like you're jumping on a trampoline. The rubber ground is a trampoline to you. You hit it and you bounce back
[00:51:07] Sam Rhee: up, but what's the elastic part of it. That's your Achilles tendon. Yes.
[00:51:11] David Syvertsen: And there have been a lot of Achilles injuries.
I shouldn't say a lot, but there have been more than we want to admit of Achilles injuries where people, they do that all the time, a random wad in the middle of August, just because they want the fast time. And I can tell that I, the fastest times, like I lost by two, two minutes and 30 seconds in that workout, stepping off a box first rebounding 120 reps is probably worth a second to a second and a half per rep.
So that means that's probably two to three minutes of just that. So if I rebounded every single ramp, which I don't even know if I could bounce it to. That would be two to three minutes faster. Those were the top scores. And so I think that's where the margin in that workout was. And I just didn't even see it that way.
Like I viewed it as Dave, save your grip, take 45 seconds per set of box jumps, and then go. But it wasn't fast enough.
[00:52:01] Sam Rhee: Now these guys just
[00:52:02] David Syvertsen: sent it over. Yup. Yup. So I think that's just something, that's my takeaway that if anyone wants to compete at the highest level, like that's going to be something like, I hate saying it, and this is where a sport needs to separate from health.
Those are some of the risks you're going to have to take. I wouldn't say you need to box jump our rebound box jump every single time you do box jumps. But it's something that should be practiced. And, I have to put some thought into a, do I want to do that, but be coaching that, do I have people do that once every two weeks, once every three weeks, do I just start off with a low box, 12 inches, 18 inches 20, just to kind of practice the skill and the timing.
It's something you have to put some thought into because it's 30 inches here. Yeah. That was 30 inches. Yep. And I'm just on, in addition, I'm not a good jumper. So that's also part of that.
[00:52:45] Sam Rhee: All right. The next workout was actually a repeat. It was from last year. It's 2021 online individual. Semi-final. It was a snatch ladder, complete as many reps in 10 minutes of 10 snatches at 1 35.
Rest, one minute 10 snatches at 180 5. Rest, one minute 10 snatches at 2 25 rest one minute. And then max reps snatches in the time remaining at 2 45.
[00:53:12] David Syvertsen: What are your thoughts on that?
[00:53:13] Sam Rhee: It was funny. I talked to Justin Lascala, who is in the 45 to 49 and they didn't, the, the scaling from the 45 to 49 to 50 to 54 was insanely the step off was huge.
It was literally the accidentally dropped the 50 to 54, I think. And it went like to 1 15, 1 35, 180 5. 2 0 5 or something ridiculous like that. And I was like, damn like this is sorta, or it's like kind of doable almost. Yeah. Right. But for this, I mean, he was like, how many people in my division can actually snatch 2 25 and that's the only we have a third bar.
Yeah. And it's like crazy.
[00:53:51] David Syvertsen: I mean, that's, that's a discussion I would love to have with some people that are kind of in the know at some point is for the generally speaking, they don't change. Wait. For age groups until 50, I mean, 55 usually. I mean, maybe there'll be 50 now for this stage. Yeah. I think they should start scaling it every, every 10 years at like at 45, they should not be doing the weights of 30 fives are I would love that.
Yeah. And I don't know where, like I remember I took that master's course online, the CrossFit masters course. That I don't know where they just came up with that, like that the 55 group that's when you start changing ways. Like, I don't think there's, I don't know if there's any science behind there or any research.
That's something that we talked about with new, new leadership, Rosa data collection. How many of these people in these age groups are actually moving that kind of wait, why would you test
[00:54:39] Sam Rhee: it? The problem is, is that in 10 years, when you guys are all aging up into. They're going to need to wait creep up higher.
Yeah. Because the Sam dancers and all these guys are going to be now at 50 and you're going to be snatching, 3 0
[00:54:52] David Syvertsen: 5 or something. If we're not in wheelchairs, right.
[00:54:55] Sam Rhee: With elbow ulnar, collateral, terrorist. But I mean, this, this, I think they wanted to do this just so that they could look at the numbers from 2021 with the individuals and compare them to the masters and get some comparative data on that could be 2 25.
[00:55:10] David Syvertsen: Pretty freaking heavy. Yeah. That workout is, I mean, I would say this. And in the quarter finals, Olympic lifting heavy Olympic lifting was not tested. So you knew something was coming and it ended up being we'll talk about later, ended up being to have you Olympic lifts and that that's a foundation of, of the sport.
For me personally, it's always been a shortcoming, but for the sport, it's always been, you need to be able to only pretty heavy. And if you don't, it's not that you're out or you suck, you just need to be very, very good at other things. And so you kind of knew something like this was coming. And I do like the fact that it wasn't lazy.
Hey wonder at max snatch, like it was, it was a workout. Like everyone could do the 1 35 for the most part 180 5. And that's where the 180 5 is when you start to see the separation is I did slow singles and I don't know with about 15, 20 seconds in between. I bet some of those guys are going to touch and go for 10 in a row.
And then they get to 2 25. I bet some of those. Even been touch and go, because remember it was not a squat snatch, it was just a snatch. So I, I do like the fact, I do think the jumps in weight could have been less, but again, you're talking, this is coming from someone that's biased that it, like, I'm just not sure.
I think that the workout filled what they wanted to you found out who can really lift in that workout. And that that's the point of that test. I personally was not worried about it because I knew I wouldn't do well. So it wasn't like, man, I hope I do this. Like I didn't do as well as I wanted to, but my one or max attaches to.
You know, So I got to 2 25 hoping I would get a few, I got one, I failed at four or five times. But I think when you're looking at the broad picture, those that those people that can really lift that was their opportunity to really get some points.
[00:56:58] Sam Rhee: I would have to say, I watched you and your, your misses were
[00:57:02] David Syvertsen: close.
[00:57:02] Sam Rhee: You would catch it and you'd be in your squat snatch position. And I always wasn't stable. Yeah. And there always look like you were about an inch forward. Yeah. Maybe that's exactly what it was. Yeah. And I was just like, fuck it. Like if you just brought it back and I, I'm not saying BU in the middle of a workout.
Um, I was just watching it and I was like, you could have gotten five of those. You could have, those are five Meeks. You brought the bar overhead, you were in a almost stable position and it was just the position of the barbell. Like
[00:57:35] David Syvertsen: just a little, no. So that's a good point that you bring that up because you take me away from this, right?
Like, we've talked about this at our ages. Right. And we're not the same age, but we're, you know, we're mass. You can't like, I'm honest with people. You're not going to get much stronger, but I also say this, that my issues with snatching are not only about strength. I can overhead squat it, I can pull it. But my mechanics are off.
My techniques are off. My bar path is off where I'm getting the bar to at the end is off. Maybe some of my mobility's off. Right. That's where I want a lot of masters athletes take in that. If you feel like you're old and you're not going to get stronger, that might be true. But are you actually lifting to your true strength capacity right now?
Most of us are not,
[00:58:19] Sam Rhee: no, I got 25 pounds of headroom there. If I could just clean up what
[00:58:23] David Syvertsen: I'm doing. Yes. So that's, that's something I want everyone to always keep track of. Like, because I hear that a lot. It's like, oh, I'm old. I'm not going to get much stronger. You're I, you're not going to, but you can fix your tech.
And you could, you can work on your mobility. When we talk about the average 35 year old loses, 2% of their VO, two max, every, when they, okay, we're talking about the elite of the elite, we're talking to people that are actually at their peak, like a lot of us might not be at our peak and or we have technique deficiencies.
Right? So that's something that, as a takeaway from that workout that that me personally, it's just like, Hey, there are certain things that if you want to be able to go snatch over. Snatching a workout like that. There's something you need to clean up to get that bar path a bit better. I don't remember seeing the top score in that workout, but I believe I saw a 50.
That means like someone got 10 snatches at 2 45, really? Because there are minute rests. So there's when you do your 10 rounds. At await, they make you rest a minute. And that's when you add weight to the barbell. And the fact that, there's two minutes of rest in that workout and no one's struggling with 1 35.
Most of those guys don't struggle with 180 5, but at some 0.2 25, it gets tough for everybody at yanas
[00:59:33] Sam Rhee: Papadopoulos guy, guys, monster
[00:59:35] David Syvertsen: 52 reps. That's amazing. That was the first, he was first in network. That's so impressive that he got over 10 snatches at two 40. He's a he's a, you guys should go look him up on Instagram.
He's a fun guy to follow. Just like what he can do with his body. Yeah, that was a, that was event three and event four. Oh, that was the high school. And that was a fun workout.
[00:59:54] Sam Rhee: Yeah. So this was not a big guy workout. It was in 12 minutes, complete 50 GHD. Sit-ups eight handstand walks, 25 feet. Each Hanson walk, 50 GHD.
Sit-ups again, eight hands-down walks again. And then max rep bar muscle ups in the time remaining 12 minute cap
[01:00:10] David Syvertsen: skills, skills, skills, skill, like I think after the open and quarter finals, some people were complaining. That there wasn't enough heavy lifting, and then there wasn't enough skill.
And this is where I like to look at. I don't like to evaluate programming until I see the whole thing. And at this stage now you have open quarterfinals semifinals. 14 workouts. You can now look at that. That is what brought people to the games. So now you can't, you can't say anything about, oh, there isn't enough heavy or you can't say there isn't enough skill because this workout right here.
If you are not a good gymnast, you got slaughtered in this workout. G, I think the one round of 50 GHD and 200 feet of handstand walking, it wasn't that bad, but the real, the people that have like real capacity in those movements, that's where it shows up is the second round. The second time through, because to start off GHD is with tired.
Abs tired hip flexors is really tough to do. And then to walk on your hands for another 200 feet after all that is really tough to do. I know people. That are really good athletes that couldn't make it 25 feet. You had to go 25 on broken. Right? So there were no like five foot sections. So if you could walk 24 feet on your hands after that, and you hit the ground to go all the way back to the beginning.
So that's where I, I really liked the fact that they, this is why I love the program for the weekend. You had the heavy stuff, you had the kind of like weird stuff that no one test you had. Jumping and pulling your body weight. And here's another workout where I want everyone to keep track of. You can do some math in your head quarterfinals and send me home.
Not moving an exterior load. This was the,
[01:01:49] Sam Rhee: unfortunately this was the only body weight workout that they had out of the six. Really?
[01:01:53] David Syvertsen: Yeah. I, I do think that the box jump rope climb one was majority of body weight, but yes, you're right, but that workout, this is why it's like, if you ever want to get to the highest level, if you can't move your body weight across all different movement patterns really well under fatigue for high volume.
At some point it gets exposed. So what's most impressive to me. Are the guys in my division that are 2 20, 2 15. They murdered this workout, like dance. Yeah. They got like 40, 45, 50 muscle loves. How many did you get?
[01:02:26] Sam Rhee: You had like four or five minutes left, which is insane.
[01:02:29] David Syvertsen: I thought, yeah, I think I start, I think my tie-breaker was like eight 20, so I had three 40 left.
I didn't touch the bar for 30 seconds. I think I got 26 muscle-ups in about three minutes, which is like, kind of like where I think I would be like a tired that's where 30 muscle-ups. I think usually it takes me about three minutes. So it's like. That I was happy. That was the one workout. I kind of walked away from like, all right, that was your best workout.
It was 15th place. And that was, again, it was another one. I kind of underestimated the crowd. I was like, man, if you can get 30, you're probably going to be in a really like top 10, top five spot. But really you need to be like 35 to 40. And one thing that was hard, this is something I want people to keep track of in the future.
If you're like a S I'm a sweaty guy, like when I work out, I get really sweaty. I like to keep a shirt on for a lot when I do muscle-ups on bar because I, but I didn't wear one because I don't like wearing a shirt when I do handstand walks. I just like not having anything on my body. And I got to the pulpit.
I was just sliding all over the place. Like you get up there and like on normally used to getting up onto that bar and just going right into the dip. But like, I would get up there and slide forward, slide back and like, hold it up there. And my upper body was lit from the bench press. And that workout was just like a real, like, I would love to do that one again in like a month or two, just with a different approach.
[01:03:48] Sam Rhee: Wondering why you're fussing around with the teacher was that, cause you were trying to put it on and you just were like, okay, screw it. I'm not doing,
[01:03:52] David Syvertsen: yeah. My wife brought it up. She was like, do you want me to wipe down the bar? I'm like, I don't think you're allowed to. And so I tried to wipe it down and like, I'm not going to waste my time doing this.
And then I looked. And it was inside out and I was like, fuck it. I won't put it on, but I do. I kind of wish I kinda went into that same, just put the shirt back on because the dips would be a little bit easier, but I don't think it would've made a huge difference.
[01:04:11] Sam Rhee: At this time you already sort of know.
You're looking at a really big hill. Cause cause you had gone, 25th, 28th, 20,
[01:04:19] David Syvertsen: and I knew the snatch wouldn't be good. Right. So
[01:04:21] Sam Rhee: you're sort of maybe like, what's the thought in your head at this
[01:04:25] David Syvertsen: point? I mean, I wanted to do as well as I can. Like I told Ash, th this is actually conversation that happened after this workout, but you know, it was like, a lot of people supporting me here and like, When you guess you get your butt kicked, everyone's like, oh Dave, you okay?
Like I just, so you know, I'm good. Like, I'm fine. But I know, I understand and respect that people want to check in on that. I remember telling Ash that that night and I had this approach for this workout. That's why I'm answering the question. But I also had the approach to the next day is no matter, no matter what, like don't quit when you're in the middle of something.
So like, and like I'll always tell Brock that unless you're injured, like if you have a real reason and like, Hey, walk away, I wasn't right. I, my body held up If I decide to move forward with competing or not, right. That's still kind of like up in the air right now. It's you need to know where you stand in certain workouts.
And the only in like, this is like the best opportunity anyone could ever have to see, like, all right, where do you really stack up? Like if you kind of go into it like a shitty attitude and just whatever, I just want to get this done. Now you won't know, like where do you stack up in high skill workout with some of these.
You know, If, if I kinda like went 80% and stopped halfway through, I don't know what I really need to work on. Like right now, like I already have a list of things that I need to work on that I did not know I needed to work on. And that is because I gave my true. Right. If I gave a half effort, I wouldn't know.
Or I'd be one of those people like, oh, I could have done that. Like I just didn't, so I ha that's kind of where my head space was at. Like, I knew pretty early on that just because not because like lacking confidence, I just knew mathematically, like I'm kinda out of it. And some people don't understand that part of the sport and that's okay.
I knew going into Sunday that I was out and, but I didn't come into it with like this, whatever. Just want to get this done. Like I came in to like do my best and let's, let's talk about the last workout. Okay.
[01:06:13] Sam Rhee: I do want to point out that you worked around. Regular gym class schedules. Yeah. You worked around people.
You did just snatch ladder, in between two Saturday classes, which was kind of nuts. I felt like it wasn't optimal in terms of set up environment. Yeah. All that sort of stuff. And I know you're not the kind of guy to. You know, Rearrange everything just for what you're doing. But I also felt we might've been able to set up a more supportive environment and time and, and schedule for you in order to get these
[01:06:45] David Syvertsen: things done.
I mean, it's always tough to do that. I mean, I got so much support over the weekend, so like, I'm like overly thankful for that. And I don't, I don't expect that either. Just so anyone knows, like if this ever happens again, but the. Th that is it's tough to do. And I know other gym owners, like I know a guy named Craig county from Connecticut.
He, I think he made it or as of right now on officially made it he's the same thing. He he's going there at times where classes are not running. And I tried to do my best to, we could say like, yeah, I had to fit it in between classes, but I also had like you and Rams and into Carlo helped me out by coaching, Saturday morning.
Like those are, those are things that, where I did get a lot of help with that. But you also have deadlines when we had to do these workouts. Right. And you have to basically do them by 3:00 PM. And I was trying to. No, in regards to this snatch workout, I was going to do it Friday afternoon, once the password came out and I'll get to talk about that.
The past Hart. But I did not because I redid the bench press workout. Because I redid that I kind of had to rework the schedule. Like I originally had that snatch workout plan for before four, 15, Friday night class. So I kind of had to like that, had to make that last minute decision. And I also knew I had to do the handstand walk event.
I did not want to do that event. And then snatch after. I didn't think that would be a good idea. It's possible that you could try to move things around, but you know, this is why I tell, I would expect other people to compete that are doing it at, if you're trying to get to a high level, you do have to make things a lot of things like personal, meaning like you don't want.
Everyone. Like I'm not comfortable when people move things around for me, or like canceled class or do this. I
[01:08:28] Sam Rhee: know. I know, but I feel like sometimes you gotta, you gotta be a
[01:08:32] David Syvertsen: little selfish. It's just stuff like that. And I feel like I am to a point, I just have an end point to that, but I like, I'm not you'll know, like I'm never going to be the guy that says, oh, I would have been better if I had this, I hate when people talk like that.
So I won't, but you know, I would say if anyone wants to, if you're out there saying you want to do that Sunday, You know, 90% of the actual weekend is you planning it out as best you can. And I think a lot of us I've been through this before, like last year, the quarter finals, the age, online qualifier, so much stuff going on that weekend.
Like you really do. If anyone wants to plan on Memorial day, weekend next year, being this, if you want to get to this level, and if you'd like to go to the beach, then don't sign up.
[01:09:14] Sam Rhee: I feel like you did a better job clearing your schedule this year, but not,
[01:09:19] David Syvertsen: not the best, not the best. Yeah. That's how I feel.
I'll
[01:09:22] Sam Rhee: put it on those. All right, that's fine. All right. The last workout, which was on Sunday was a death by wall ball, basically every two minutes. Twenty-five wall ball shots, add five for the next two minutes. So then 25, the first two minutes 30, the next two minutes 35, the next two minutes until you can't complete it within a two minute interval, it was a 20 pound ball, but to an 11 foot target, which is one foot higher than the normal.
RX, which is 10, the big
[01:09:49] David Syvertsen: difference. Yeah. So let's start with that. Yeah, that workout. I mean, you could do some quick math in your head, you're basically going to do Karen plus like minimum would be Karen, which Karen has 150 wall balls that when we do it as a gym, everyone complains about it for two weeks and that's the 10 feet.
And I practice it early in the week. Just kind of seeing how long does 15 take 2010. And basically it was every single set was two seconds per rep. So when you know that, you know that at what set do you, is it going to get really, really spicy? Because if you don't example, if you have 15 reps left and there's only 30 seconds left in the interval, you got to go right away and you got to better hope you don't get a no rep.
And I did get a few new reps from Ramsey. Um, Where the ball just kind of hits the tape. Doesn't clear the line. And when that happens, it doesn't. It doesn't like immensely ruin you, but it's like, oh crap, I'm off pace now because now I need another two to three seconds. And I tried to draw a strategy for myself to just break everything up from the beginning.
So I'd never felt tired until it got to like the set of 40, 45, but it's like any death by if you've ever done a death by. It goes from not bad to impossible at the snap of a finger. Right. And that's what happened. I got into the fifties and during the set of 50, this was interesting. You've already done Karen by now.
So you've already done 150 wall balls. You are in that set knowing that you're not going to advance to the next one, but then in your head, you're like, I want to get every rep I can, like everyone else is stopping, so like you gotta get up, get like, get 38 instead of 36, because that might make a difference.
Yeah. So that's what I did. And Joe Pietro pointed this out to me yesterday. He's like, it might've been a bad decision. I, I don't wear lifters for anything other than really, really heavy cleans or snatches. You warm for the wall balls. I warm for the wall balls for the squatting, but also because I thought I'd be squad cleaning.
My squad couldn't jerk. So after this event, there was a one at mass clean and jerk, right. So I just like, I don't want to change my shoes. I'm just gonna wear. But my quads were cramping after the wall walls. I think I did. I think it did 217
[01:11:51] Sam Rhee: reps. I think you're leaning slightly more forward. So it's a little more
[01:11:54] David Syvertsen: quad dominant and the wobbles in front of you.
So you're just like more forward. And I got done and I'm like, all right, I feel decent. I sat down, got my first barbell ready and I stand up and my quads immediately like cramped cramp. Like I was like, oh boy, how am I going to lift? So I had two ugly lifts. I did 2 27 for a safety. Uh, 2 47 for a secondary safety.
And then at this point again, I was saying, I'd rather be aggressive, make a mistake. And if I lose, I lose. I mean, I had nothing to lose of this one. So I went to 2 87, I think, and I failed it. And I didn't even try to squat clean it. That's my one regret is I tried the power clean it because I was like, if I catch it, I'm probably knocking to the standup, but I should have tried to squat clean it.
Because my legs were shaking. Like they were cramping hours as I was going down to CRA grab the bar to start the lift. They were they're cramping. So I basically tried to pull the bar, just using my back and my arm. And I wonder if I tried to just simply get under the bar, what would have happened? I don't know.
But I failed that lift. So ended up being a 2 47, which is a terrible number, but again, I went for it, I didn't really care about coming in 20th place in a lift. I only had five minutes anyway. Yeah. And you don't touch the bar for the first minute. Right. You have it. Right. So basically you have four minutes to lift.
[01:13:13] Sam Rhee: Now, when I watch you do this, the first thing I would, I would say is, is that your wall balls. Got better around the second to third interval. Yeah. Once you find a flow and it was so nice, like it was, I loved watching that because you would catch come right into your squad from right back up. It was perfect, especially because of rhythm.
Yeah. Because, and that's the key with wall balls. Perfect repetition every time. And you had huge sets where it looked awesome. I didn't really think about the weightlifting shoes, but you're exactly right. That's why I don't like wearing weight lifting shoes because it makes me more quad dominant they're crunch and it, it, if you have good mobility, like I have pretty good ankle ankle mobility too.
It doesn't really help me. It makes me hard. It makes it a little harder for me to actually sit back on my heels. Yeah. I agree with you and I didn't even think about that for. But Brazilian wall walls, how that would
[01:14:07] David Syvertsen: mess you up. Yeah. So that, that one tricky thing about this too, is this is part of competing life.
I have had a little bit like a quad issue for the past. Like I, so if this qualifier was two weeks ago, I wouldn't, I don't think I would have been able to do it. Like I was pretty badly injured doing us a very light, overhead lunge and. I basically didn't really squat for, for two, three weeks leading up to, and that could have been part of the reason why it made my legs.
Just maybe did not feel that conditioned to do that, that kind of abrupt fast, aggressive movement over and over. But I also have never done wobbles and lifters before let alone 200 of them. So I think that might've been an execution slash strategy. And no one told me to do it. I just made the decision to do that myself that I'll put in the memory bank, for whether it's myself or others someday, you know?
Um,
[01:15:02] Sam Rhee: the other thing that was a huge distraction was the technical issue with the video. So I have to tell you that bar none, the videoing is probably the best. Pain in the ass for every athlete, universally, every athlete I've ever heard of, who talked about doing these online qualifiers,
getting the video right. Is ridiculous. Yeah. And here you had two app or two devices, an iPad, and an iPhone, both recording. They both crapped out in the middle of it and I. Like I saw there was pissed. I saw the face of the guys recording there. They were looking like frozen. They were about to get hit by a train and I didn't want to go there.
I was like, I don't want to know because if I find out I don't, I don't want to. And then Ash comes over and is telling
[01:15:47] David Syvertsen: you in the middle of a Walmart, the wall workout like a she should. So in her defense, like Ash should do that. Because I'll tell you this. If I was like in 12th place and I was in the running, I would say.
And I would, I would have had to wait an hour or two hours and just do it again. So would have been 400 wall balls. Right. But when Ash came over, she came over and said in the middle of one of my wall ball sets like Dave, your, both of your videos stopped. And like right there, I think it was 150 wall balls in.
I was like, fuck it. I'll just do it. I know how angry you were
[01:16:15] Sam Rhee: at that time.
[01:16:16] David Syvertsen: I was pissed. I was frustrated. I was trying not to show it, but I think I did. I was cursing a lot. But No, I was not directed at anyone. I hope anyone not their fault. It wasn't his fault. It was the app is, is not reliable.
So here's some advice. I used the we time app because it has a built in clock and that's one of the rules for filming CrossFit workouts is that you have to have a running clock because there's some idiots in the past that have literally looped their video, which basically means an a 10 round workout.
They taped one round and just replayed it over and over. They edited it. And so now that you need to prove that you have running clock in the workout. So thanks a lot for that. Whoever did that, but the, the fact that I used the week time app is only because there's a running clock in the video and for whatever reason, it worked for most of the weekend.
It started the crap out later in the weekend. And I had two workouts where I used my backup. Because the wait
[01:17:13] Sam Rhee: time app would stop on the ifs and, and you can't put it in airplane mode because you need wifi. Yeah. It has to
[01:17:18] David Syvertsen: connect for some reason. Yeah. Yeah. And I I'm telling you, I, I cleared all my storage.
Like I've spent time on that hours on clearing everything. Everything was good. Battery was fine. Turned off, do not. I went on, do not disturb no notifications, no phone calls, all this stuff. And I've had other people do this too. There was multiple people in my division that had to redo a workout because there there's timer crapped out, same thing.
So we time fix that. And I think from now on, this is my advice is just use your. And get a portable running clock and you, and put that somewhere in your screen, but yes, I mean, even Brian DiCarlo came up to me and said they kind of do something about this. Like you get amped up, you get warmed up and then.
You have to shut the whole gym down, no music and go up on a ladder and show this and get the tape measure, show this, which takes time. Then all of a sudden, like, all right, ready to work out and hope that it works. And if it doesn't your score doesn't count, like, and that it's a really frustrating process.
And I always say, I don't don't bring problems unless you have a solution. I don't know if I have these solutions. But I think about it all the time. I know crosses out there, there, they just posted a job for someone. So that kind of helped run the support side. And I think this is what it is, like run logistics and scoring and all this stuff.
And I think about this all the time. Like what could I think of, and my only solution is have more live comms, but I know there's, there's a lot of funding that needs needed for stuff like that. But I'm jealous of Joe that he gets to go to granite and compete. Like, I wish I could, could've done something like stuff like this in person.
And that's part of my personal reflection process, but w of what I want to do is the competing online stuff. It's just, I hate it. I really do. And
[01:19:03] Sam Rhee: It's, I was about to ask you about that because I've seen. You compete at legends, I've seen you do all the online stuff and never am I going to tell anyone woulda, coulda shoulda it, it, the situation is always going to be what it is.
And even Joe has said, Joe pro says, I love competing life. I had to learn how to compete online. Yes. In order to get to where I am to get to the granite games. And, but, man, when I watch you do these workouts and I know where your mindset is, I know had you been. Three other, four other people in a lane somewhere like that is that would have brought out the best in you let's put it that way.
It
[01:19:42] David Syvertsen: means something for sure. So I, it might be more like a personal responsibility thing that if this ever were to happen again, and I know that there's no guarantee maybe you hit up. And with that are within your, I don't know, an hour drive and like, Hey guys, I think we would all benefit if we met at this gym on this day, that gym that day, and we just literally compete against each other.
We don't need to be friends. Don't need to like each other. We need to try to kick each other's ass. And I think that's something that. Looking at the future. I think that's something we, we, we can do, I don't know how many people, this, the thing that's also hard with masters it's worldwide, like half of my division is from outside the country.
And then the other. Like are not from around here. So they're there, but you know, with all the different divisions, like there's a few people in New Jersey. There's one Stacy down in Oakland, Justin. LaSalle's not that I don't know where his gym is, but he's not that far. There's a guy Mike Kern in garden city and the 40 to five group.
Like there they're close enough that it might be worth not doing it at my home gym or them not doing it, their home gym. If it means, Hey, let's meet and do it. Yeah, live face-to-face competition. 'cause that that is it's competing to me, has always been in person. That's what flash, but as Joe said, if you want to compete in this sport, like you got to get good at doing this stuff on a clock, on a, on, on a phone, you just do, and maybe that'll change someday.
There's so many changes in cross it right now, who knows what the picture will be next. But what are your plans now? Reflect, I tell every one of my athletes after the open, after, or whenever their season's over, like my season just ended yesterday. Right. Take a month reflect on it.
I I'm someone like I'm not a fast learner. I'm not a fast thinker. Like I like to take time to think about things. My passion to compete is still there and my passion to train is still there. So if one of those were not there, then. Yeah, easy decision out. But I'm going to do legends and yeah, that I'm going to, I'm going to do legends.
And I talked about that with Ash and and part of the reason is I don't need to qualify for it. I have the automatic bed, so I don't need to like amp myself up in August to qualify. I could just, take time, heal my body a little bit. And my question from there that I still need to reflect on is this level of competition.
What I like about the open quarterfinal semifinal games pursuit is that that's the cream of the crop. That's where everyone signs up for that. I can not, everyone's like sand dancer, hasn't done legends. I know some stuff about legends that, that might change this year. There might get some more names this year just because of who's going to be backing it.
But. The that, that will, that's kind of like, this is my next step and taking one step at a time that I'll pursue legends. And, while I pursue this, online next year, the quarterfinal semifinal, I don't know. I, I think that my, my reflection on this past year is I am proud of what I've done over the past year.
I am proud of making the stage. Like I know everyone's checking on me. Dave, should we proud? I am proud. So I just want to put that out there, but I feel like anyone would feel like after, failing a test or not getting a job you wanted or losing. And that's how I feel. I got, I lost, but I got lost by guys that are better than me.
I didn't lose because my camera went out. I didn't lose visa. I got hurt. I don't lose because I got unlucky. I just, and like, I can take that, I can take that on the chin because I, I tell anyone if you. Can't handle losing, then you don't deserve to win. And that that's kinda like, I just lost and I need to, I need to take that on the chin.
So like, I was upset about it and I probably still am a little bit like just did not meet my expectations, but it's not going to ruin me. It's not going to like, if anything it'll help fuel me, I think. Right. Like we times create strong men. Right? Like, that's kinda like where I'm at with that kind of thing.
Like when you get beat, you really can kind of put yourself up against the wall. Kind of self examine. I do know that I won't have my own coach anymore. Nothing against him. It's more just like a lifestyle based that I think I'm going to train with bison full time and then I'll do some of my extra stuff on the side and I think that's going to be.
How do I get better? Right. Like, I do need to get better if I want to pursue this, I need to get better. Especially like, with the new crop of 35 year olds coming in next year, which doesn't scare me, but it is the truth. How do I get better at this stuff? And I need to, I think I need to journal a little bit more.
I need to reflect a little bit more. And I'm kind of use all the knowledge that I've had from crafted coaching. Formerly OPEX are big dogs, I should say. And really kind of come up with like a master plan, like what Joe said. Like I gotta try to not peak at the open and quarterfinals. It's it's kinda, if I feel like I can make some eyes, that's when I need to feel my best.
[01:24:25] Sam Rhee: I would say the one thing that I think would help. Is having training partners. Yeah. And people of like-minded or similar caliber, because I feel like when you had your frat lead team, you guys really pushed each other well, and that's just hard, but I think that that's something that might mean. To really get you
[01:24:48] David Syvertsen: going.
Right. I agree with that. And like, I belong to the, the fitness gym of the country. Um, But I know that like it's, if I can't find like a person or two or three people that, and I hope everyone knows out there, like I don't put myself on a pedestal, like you can't train with me, like on two. Good. Not that I'll never think that ever.
I think it's more about being pushed, like. Like winning and losing some, like, I have people in this gym that are much better at lifting than me, like maybe it's on me to get in on the days to lift with them. Others, people that are here that are faster than me, the people that better, that gymnastics than me.
So if I can't find that, yes, in my ideal world, I could find a few people that every day we line up our schedules and train, that would be awesome. I'd be all for it. But if I can't do that, I have enough town at this gym to. If I can find ways to get in front of them and push them and they pushed me that could make me better.
And that's part of the reason why I made the decision to kind of stray away from having my personal coach was I think that's, the programming was awesome from them. He's helped me with so many different things. But there there's training by myself. Maybe I'm not disciplined. It's hard for me to do it now.
I don't know why it's harder for me. That was, I can always train, but there's some things I feel like I'm not really pushing as hard as I need to. And sometimes it just needs some outside energy, so that's cross at one-on-one.
[01:26:04] Sam Rhee: I just want to say, I know, that we're all very supportive and very proud.
But I want to reiterate it again. I think it was amazing to watch. Uh, This past weekend, watch you do these workouts. And I think for everyone who loves competitive CrossFit, who also loves the recreational side of it, this is such a interesting mix because we know you as. Our program or the person who coaches, who, who helps us with our, our movements, and then to get to this high level, this elite level of competition, and then watch, anyone good or bad succeed.
I seen you succeed on the open and then on the final level, and then seeing you,
[01:26:49] David Syvertsen: Fail, have challenges, say fail,
[01:26:51] Sam Rhee: be challenged on the semi-final level. It, it, I think anyone could take away a lot of it a lot away from it, especially even as a recreational athlete. This is, this is really as much of attitude mindset.
Fixing your deficiencies, addressing your weaknesses, not having an ego, not sitting there thinking, you know, I'm the best at everything. And I would say that that was the biggest thing I took away is is that you can't be sucks, first of all, you can't be successful without failure.
And then the second thing is, is that you can't have an ego regardless of what level you are. In order to become better. Yeah. And I feel like if at any level, even at the highest level, you see that that makes me understand what I have to do at my level
[01:27:34] David Syvertsen: in order to become, yeah. I hope I really do. I feel as a, as a competitor, as a coach, I really do want to blend the two.
And if you can call it, try to inspire or just like show by example, like I get this all the time when I'm at the gym. Where something like, oh, you can't relate because you can do so much of this. And I can only this. And like, we're all struggling with the same thing. It's just, it's different flavors, but it's all the same struggle.
Like we, and that's why I love about CrossFit is, there's one person that wins at the end. One guy, one girl, and everyone else didn't get there. And I, I came in 28th, I think that's where it ended up. Like to me, I personally, I truly mean this. It would have meant the same if I came at 11th because you didn't make it to the next stage.
And we all go through. And I really do think I made an Instagram post about this a long, a few weeks ago. Like I am the same person before and after this. Right. Like during and like right after and like where it kind of stinks a little bit. Like maybe I'm a little quieter and they don't talk as much.
This, these kinds of like tribulations and trials. Like they, they're not going to change who I am, and like, that's, what's most important to me. And I know I'm in a position here not to like, again now, no pedestal here, but like, I do know there's some leadership here that I do need to show that you can be upset, but it can't, you can't change because of that.
You, you gotta stay on that same line. So it's the same thing as after winning. I don't come back in here and be like, I want, I was back to work the next week, you know, after my rhabdo went away. But, but I, I do, I try to have the same approach after winning and losing because there's benefits to both.
And I know that truly to his core, I really have been the same
[01:29:12] Sam Rhee: if you've got 11 versus 28 that's that's B as
[01:29:15] David Syvertsen: I call it the ESL. No, I really would have been, I, if anything, I think I would've been more frustrated because I'd have been like, if I got one more. But to me it was, it was, I try to make things black and white in situations like that.
Like you make it or you don't, and I, I wouldn't feel. Good about myself. If I came in 11th, like maybe I'd be a little less embarrassed, but you know, it would be, I didn't make it, and just like, I'll tell you what if I did make it, like I ain't going there for the experience.
Right. I would say you,
[01:29:39] Sam Rhee: you would've given your max effort at 11th or 28th, regardless for sure. It doesn't matter. So that part is going to be the same number.
[01:29:45] David Syvertsen: Yeah. I mean, maybe down the road when I'm done doing this, I'll look back and be like, yeah, like, no, I wish I came a little bit better, but still I want it to make it.
I want to go. And Pete and person, and hopefully, I mean, I would love for cross it to come up with maybe more avenues for people to compete in, at this time, last year, that quarter final stage, the top 20 made the games, and so if this was last year, I'd, I'd be able to go out there and, and, and do my thing out there in person, hopefully, hopefully we'll see what changes come our way. But, it's, it's in the rear view mirror. Once this podcast is over and once I'm done, like really reflecting about it, go on vacation soon with, my two favorite people in the world and come back and I should have kind of a clear plan of what I'm doing from there.
Thanks for sharing, David. Appreciate it. Thanks guys.
