S02E66 PRESSURE IN CROSSFIT AND FITNESS TRAINING

Do you struggle with feelings of pressure in your CrossFit or fitness training? Maybe it is from your coach, maybe the pressure comes from other athletes, or maybe you put pressure on yourself to perform. That pressure can help us achieve great things or it can cause us to fail. Dave and Sam discuss the different kinds of pressure athletes can feel in their training, suggest ways of using that pressure positively, and relate how dealing with that pressure may help us succeed in real life as well.

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S02E66 PRESSURE IN CROSSFIT AND FITNESS TRAINING

[00:00:00] David Syvertsen: Welcome back to the herd fit podcast. I am coach David Syvertsen. I'm here with Dr. And coach Sam Rhee. We have an interesting topic today. One that I do think most CrossFitters struggle with at some point some more than others. Some are better at dealing with it than others, but I do think there's either a conscious or subconscious.

Aura or feeling of pressure when you work out the feeling of external and or internal pressure to perform, and the CrossFit methodology does no matter who you are revolve around performance to a point. Yes, it is a health and fitness program for most. All right, but there is still this there still is this angle of pursuing weights, pursuing times, pursuing intensity, pursuing PRS, repeating workouts.

If you do the open, even as a novice, just for fun, I wanna be part of my gym community. There still is a performance factor. You get a number, put on a whiteboard at cross at bison. We have written down the scores of everyone that has walked through the door. 99.9% of the workouts that we've done at bison.

All right. I think there was this one phase during our outdoor parking lots where we didn't write down RX and scale. Don't wanna get into that. Maybe that'll be a topic for another time, but it is performance centered in that whatever you do at the gym, it's it gets written on the board for the world to see the world that, that your gym.

And we post it on Facebook in our private members group so that we can go back and look at old scores. So, no matter what you are like, no matter who you are, there is an element of I'm trying to perform to a certain caliber for today, and it could be good. It could be bad, it could be fast, it could be slow, but there's still performance.

And with that comes pressure and I kind of wanna go into. The different forms of pressure, right? Athletes feel it, coaches feel it. We feel it from ourselves. We feel it from external sources. Why do we feel it that way? And how do we cope with it? And just gonna give some anecdotal situations. Some Sam has probably had some like more, a different background on it.

Maybe some research type stuff, if we can fit it in. But Sam, any opening thoughts on the simple topic of pressure to perform?

[00:02:09] Sam Rhee: This is a relevant topic for everyone because. Personally, I feel pressure of some sort every day when I come into the gym. Yep. And sometimes I can harness it and make it good.

And sometimes it negatively impacts me. But I remember the first day I went into a CrossFit box, did I feel pressure? I felt a lot of pressure. I felt pressure about. Could I jump onto the box that they're asking me to jump onto? I've never actually done anything. Athletic. Could I even do the things that they're asking me to do?

So it's not a performance, even, for some of us who have done this for a long time, it is what we write down on the white board. It's how we compare ourselves to others. It's how we interact with our coaches or other athletes as you're gonna talk about, but it can even be something as simple as can I even do the workout today?

[00:02:55] David Syvertsen: Absolutely. I mean, I, we, I do beginner still. So when someone comes and joins our gym from the outside does not have any CrossFit experience myself, Chris and Liz, we all do it. And we try to teach CrossFit in an hour, two different times, and all of a sudden they're thrown to the wolves.

Right. And. , you can tell that when you teach someone to beginner, even someone that comes in with a high level of fitness, like having them go upside down and have to hold a handstand with their weight against the wall, or trying to learn how to Kip or just do a pull up or do a clean for the first time.

There's that pressure to feel like? I don't know if I can do this. Right. I'm trying to show this coach that I can do this. And then I'm trying to show to myself, I can do it. I don't want to get hurt all this stuff. There's a lot of like voices inside your head that do either one of two things. They impede your ability to actually perform.

All right, because one of the sport principles, when you teach a kid how to play sports is hesitation, leads to injury, hesitation leads to lack of performance. But when you don't know what you're doing, you're going to hesitate. Right? I always tell people at beginner sessions, try not to think your way through your snatch or your push jerk, just move.

And we'll correct the movement, but that's so much easier said than done, right? Like, yes, you're gonna, if someone teaches you a pusher for the first time and they're telling you to get underneath the barbell, You don't really know what that means, especially when you have a PVC in your head. So like, there's that hesitation, hesitation, hesitation.

And I think part of that stems from the feeling of pressure, right? You don't wanna screw up, you don't wanna mess up, you don't wanna

[00:04:18] Sam Rhee: get hurt. Ultimately, the other thing why this is such an important topic, I'm so glad you chose it is because pressure ultimately leads to growth. Yeah. And that applies to CrossFit and it applies to real life.

Yeah. And the fact is, is that we deal with pressure everywhere. Mm-hmm and if you don't know how to channel it, how to address it, how to use it. Yep. Then. You're not going to progress in life as, as far as you might want to. Yep. And, and that's why dealing with pressure in a really positive and good way yeah.

Is

[00:04:46] David Syvertsen: important for all of us. Yeah. I mean, some of you guys that listen to this, it's the, her fit podcast and you really, you know, are. All in on CrossFit. And you were like, you want CrossFit to impact your life outside the gym. There are lessons you can learn from this discussion on pressure to perform in workouts to your outside life, whether it's your job, your family life socially.

All right. So the first the first thing we're gonna do here is just talk about what kinds of pressure do we experience in the gym, both what have we experienced? And also more importantly, what I've heard others experience, right? And like, you know, the amount of people that we talk to and coach, especially right now, but over also the past 10 years, You see a lot of common ground.

There are a lot of common issues. Like, like I talked about this in previous podcasts with Chris Tafaro, it's like with doing this so long, you see so many different kinds of people and so many different situations happen over the 10 years. They repeat themselves history repeats itself and. This, this the most common pressure that I think people experience is the pressure from athlete to athlete.

And this gets into the competitive sense a little bit. I don't want to go down that path too much, but it does. It is part of this situation. It's part of this conversation. Athletes feel pressure from other athletes subconsciously or consciously. And basically what happens a lot is if you are in a box for a long time, a year, two years, three years, you start to feel all right, I'm usually around this person.

Like Sam just worked out with Scott Sweeney at the eight, 15 class. They do have a lot of the same scores day to day. If you really broke it down. And again, you're not gonna pay attention to that unless you're one of them too, or you're a coach. They are very comparable, but how they get there to those numbers is very different.

So if Sam ever comes in or Scott ever comes in and not that they are like this, but there are people that are like, this is that they'll see a score on the board and they immediately, before they even begin the warm up, they feel pressure to perform to a certain level. Absolutely. Because someone in the gym that they feel they're comparable to put this number up, let's just, just talk about that kind of pressure.

And again, we don't wanna put a negative label on pressure. It is not. It can be, but could also be positive. It can inspire you to work harder than you want it to work. Right. So Sam discuss that little subconscious. pressure that athletes feel from other pressures based on their

[00:07:01] Sam Rhee: performances. I used to feel that a lot more than I do now, but I still feel that with certain athletes that I look at their numbers every day, like Fred,

[00:07:08] David Syvertsen: Fred, beat you the other day again, ,

[00:07:11] Sam Rhee: I'm not gonna say anything because it's a little raw right

[00:07:14] David Syvertsen: now.

just took the bandaid off.

[00:07:16] Sam Rhee: I am. I'm really trying to be super mature about it. So all I will say is that Fred is a really good athlete. Progressing really fast. And that

[00:07:24] David Syvertsen: was, that was a wheelhouse workout

[00:07:25] Sam Rhee: for him. so let's just look at Scott, cuz I just worked out with him.

Yep. So every day I might look at his number. And I might think to myself, a couple different things. If, if he. Absolutely crushes a workout mm-hmm and I know I, I can't even get close to it. Mm-hmm, , there's less pressure. Right. But I'm also a little pissed, like, wow. How, like, and now that's where some people will fall into that trap of saying, well, his form isn't so good.

Yeah. Or, you know what? He cheated as RAVs. He's probably near the door, the running work and I will. Right, exactly. And I will tell you the reason why I look at Scott a lot is because his T. It is great. It is. And he never cheats on anything. Yep. So he is someone that I can use it as a benchmark and be like, nah, that's, those are not reasons why he crushed it.

He crush it, cuz he's really good at it. Right. Right. Sometimes I use it as pressure to do, to do better for myself. Mm-hmm sometimes. It's negative. And I'm like, oh man. And I don't even try as hard mm-hmm so there are a lot of different ways I use that pressure, but I do hear it. I, I see it sometimes.

Yeah. That inner voice talks to me about

[00:08:26] David Syvertsen: it. And you know, what could almost throw you a curve ball in a situation like that? This actually happened in the cross it open. We're gonna stay on Scott for a little bit 21.1. That was the wall walk double under ladder. How as the, the first, you know, we were wearing mask.

If everyone remembers that here. Where the reps went up on wall walks and double, and there's two, a very high amount respectively for both move. And as you were getting more fatigued and Scott annihilated the workout, and I wanna say he was one of the FA like the best 10 scores in the gym. And then we didn't know this until that time, but Scott's really good at wall walks, high volume wall walks.

And we don't, we didn't ever did 'em in workouts like that prior to that workout. And this is the trap of. You know, coming in and Sam always looking for a number from Scott, because if you don't know what Scott's really good at, and we as a Jim didn't even know, it could throw you down this path of saying, oh my God, I did so poorly in this workout because I wasn't even near Scott in this one.

And I'm always near Scott, but the, the CrossFit methodology, the programming behind CrossFit is at some point. Every athlete is gonna have something that they're just naturally good at. It could be the anatomy, it could be their background, it could be their training age. And then they're also on the flip side and have hoopin that they're not good at.

Again, it could be anatomy training, background, you know, psychological issues. Right. And. I think that's where if you come in and you're only looking at a number without the context of what's actually behind the number, it can put pressure on you to a point that's not realistic, right? Like if you were someone and you're, you know, you're decent at double unders and decent wall walks.

And, but what if you weren't, what if there was a, there are some good athletes in our gym that are just, they're not there with the wall wall shit. Right? They're very good CrossFitters, but that's like a weakness if that was them. And they went and they saw this score on the board, they put this expectation on themself.

To beat a number or be near a number simply because that, you know, macro level Scott is like, we're normally near each other. That that's where the athlete putting pressure on themself to pursue another person's score without proper context can really be an issue.

[00:10:29] Sam Rhee: The other thing is, is what helped me was getting to know Scott A.

Little bit better. He's a firefighter captain. Mm-hmm . He has a 14 month old, a three year old and a 12 year old. And this guy comes in every day, all different times too. And yeah, he sometimes comes in at six. Sometimes he comes in the afternoon whenever he can fit it in. Yep. And, he never brags or, is, flexing about his score or any of it.

Yep. And that's why I like choosing him as someone to just look at mm-hmm because if he can do that right. Under those circumstances, right. I really don't have any excuse. So whether he kills it or he doesn't kill it. Yeah. I know. More as a person mm-hmm and that helps me put my own self into context.

Right. And also maybe I had, maybe I was really busy and I, I didn't get a whole lot of sleep or something. Right. I'm not gonna kill myself over it too. Right. Right. So it, it helps me to look at my inner voice when I look at a number. And like you said, put it into context. Right.

[00:11:24] David Syvertsen: And I, I really think that's where you can make the positive out of it.

Right. Sam is also now coming in saying, all right, let let's screw the whole, like, beat the time. Right. And say, You can actually use this pressure and filter it toward in a positive manner that, you know, if Scott is pulling all this off with his crazy schedule and just a tough time in life with all those with the young kids work, trying to balance work life, right.

It, it, it puts that pressure into context and the relation that it's actually gonna add fuel to your workout, it's gonna motivate you. It's gonna inspire you. And I think that's where like the, the athlete to athlete inspiration and pressure can actually help people. I know that there's athletes in this gym that are much better runners than myself.

They're much better lifters than myself. And when I see them, you know, put up a time and this is where the advantage, if you work out later in the day, like you just have more and. You know, avenues to really give yourself to all right, I'm gonna shoot after this time today. I'm never gonna run like Owen.

I'm never gonna lift like Bo. Right. But I know that if I am somewhat near them in those respective forms of workouts, right. It actually pushes me to go beyond what my initial goal was. And even though it, it, so that's where the pressure of. I love to chase after people can actually make me a fitter person and get me closer to my end goal.

And I think if you can filter, like I'm thinking about someone like Amy Edelman who just pulled off one of the most impressive, probably five performances I've ever witnessed live in a workout. She did the legends qualifier. That was that Bison's doing on Tuesday. And this is why I'm bringing this up.

The workout is 25. Step-ups with a dumb. 100 double unders 50 wall balls, three rounds. So very like non complimentary workout. Like your, your legs are essentially doing the same thing. Like knees over toes, quad activation, squatting, jumping the entire workout. You're pushing the ground with your legs.

Right. And the best times that I've heard from I, a lot of good athletes has been in the 14th fifteens. She was 12. And now our gym's gonna do this on Tuesday. No, one's touching that. If anyone wants to take that as a challenge, I would love to watch you. Now it'll be another impressive performance I get to watch, but no, one's gonna touch that, but it's not important that that's not the important, the important part is it's actually gonna inspire someone to maybe push further, like, Hey, can I get within three minutes of that time?

Because I really think the line in our gym. On set was gonna be like around 15, 16. Could anyone get into that tier? Now the line's pushed even further. And I think those people that were gonna aim for 15, 16, they're gonna aim for 13, 14 to say like, all right, could I actually get that much closer? And that's where like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna hope to do the workout on Tuesday.

If I can do it, schedule wise, I'm gonna feel pressure because of Amy, even though I'm not touching that score, it's gonna make me feel almost inspired and motivated to like, Hey, I'm gonna try to pursue something near that as well.

[00:14:09] Sam Rhee: Susan and I were talking about that workout after we watched it, we stuck around and Susan said that is the first time I ever.

Dave like mouth open, speechless after workout ever. Yeah. Ever. And I said, you're right. I've never seen him speechless after a performance. And I think the reason why you felt that way, because you've seen athletes at other comps. Yes. And does stuff do insanely well, right. It's. We frame performance according to us.

Right, right. Yes. So we think someone who's better than us is really good. Right. Someone who's not as good as us is not that good. Right. And that's how we look at the whiteboard, right? Yep. Better than me. Not as good as me about the same as me. Yep. And we go all the way through everything. Yep. And she isn't someone who has historically.

Crushed every workout. I mean, she's great. Yeah. But you frame her as an athlete who probably is comparable to you in, in terms of performance, big picture,

[00:15:07] David Syvertsen: but she was

[00:15:08] Sam Rhee: able to crush this one. Yes. And so that reframed it for you. Like, wait, if, if Amy Edelman yeah. Could do this, what is it? That's preventing me from doing that.

Yeah.

[00:15:17] David Syvertsen: And being good at squatting

[00:15:20] Sam Rhee: right. Having more natural athletic talent. but that being said. That's why it was so impactful for you. It was because you could see someone like Tia, Claire to me, do it and be like, whatever. Right. That's a good point. But when someone, you know, you know who they are and they do something like that.

Yeah. That, that's why that put pressure on you and, and made it inspirational. And I see that also sometimes when you were working out with say Dallas yep. Or someone else yep. Like that really impacted you and put pressure on you, but. Your personality is such that you like

[00:15:49] David Syvertsen: that pressure. Yes. You feed off that you thrive off of it.

[00:15:51] Sam Rhee: Absolutely. And why is that? Because your personality's a little different than I would say. I mean, it's more of a competitive athlete

[00:15:57] David Syvertsen: kind of personality. Yeah. No, but I apply that to work life as well. Like there's a lot of things that we've done with the gym. Like, you know, take away a. Competing in sport that I've always said that, like, I think everyone would say this about themselves, but I am different in the sense.

I'm probably a little weird in that sense too, but, you know, I love, I love like an underdog role. That's part of it. Like I feed off that. So if I go into a sense, all right, like, Whether it's myself. We'll talk about pressure. You put on yourself later, but the pressure that might be from our other athletes, like Amy and I are not competing against each other at all.

No, I know, but, but let's act like we are now. It's like, oh really? You got that. Okay. I'm gonna get 1209 now. And like, I like that feeling, even though I know, I can't, like, I don't think it's physically possible for me to do that. I like that feeling of no one thinks you can do it. Let's see if you can. And I fed off that and I think that's just like, I, you know, very into sports.

Obviously I love underdog stories and it's probably because I've been involved in com competing for so long. and if you can ask my little league coaches, high school coaches, I was never the most talented ever. And, but I still always wanted to be at the top. Right. I always still wanted to win anything I ever did.

I'm always gonna be like that. And I don't care if that's a good thing or bad thing. That's just the fact. Right. And. Whether it's owning a gym, whether it's competing on the floor against Amy in a wall ball workout, right. Is I always want to, I, I think I feed off the underdog role and I think that's where pressure that you put on yourself can actually help where if you are an underdog talent wise anatomy, right?

Her being tall definitely helps that workout. We are busting on her after she was not , but Hey, if you're tall and CrossFit, like you have a very, you have a very hard battle. So every now and then you get a bone through your way and you have to, you have to capitalize, but did you see her

[00:17:36] Sam Rhee: today? Gay. Did that work out?

Didn't yeah, she

[00:17:39] David Syvertsen: fucked. She crushed it. Did she today? Yeah, she's on fire right now. She really is. And I mean, we should probably have her on at some point just because she has a really cool background that I think a lot of people don't know about. But you know, so. The, the pressure that I'll feel, or you though, I think there's other, I even think because other females especially might feel some pressure in that workout when we do it on Tuesday, not because they're trying to beat Amy, please don't go down that path.

It's wow. The bar has been raised, and this is why I, I almost wanna like, would love to do a podcast on this at some point that the fitness level of the gym, the entire gym gets elevated when someone pushes the. and she just pushed the needle for that workout on Tuesday for what a

[00:18:22] Sam Rhee: good CrossFit athlete is at our gym.

[00:18:24] David Syvertsen: Yeah. Yes. Yeah. your life matters so much. All right. So that that's really, I wanna kind of wrap up the, the athlete athlete pressure in that being competitive is not a bad thing. If you're fueling it to inspire you and motivate you. Right. Because we all struggle with. At certain points of the year, we're never always gonna be motivated to come work out.

But when you have other things to kind of compare yourself to and chase after or run away from, I think it, that pressure that you feel prior to the workout is going to it can help you reach your ceiling. That's all. All right. The next kind of pressure I want to talk about is that the ath, the, the pressure that athletes feel from their coaches, and I've had a coach, so I can kind of relate.

I know you've had multiple coaches, whether it's the next level bison, right. We have a lot of athletes in our gym that played collegiate sports, high school sports, and the pressure to perform maybe was felt from their coaches. Some in some cases they never felt pressure from the coaches. Any opening thoughts on.

Know pressure that an athlete feels from their coach to perform well in a workout.

[00:19:30] Sam Rhee: Yeah. I never grew up doing sports. Right. So coaching to me is relatively new and most of my athletic coaching experiences through CrossFit. Right. And a lot of my coaching has actually been through you.

You've coached me for a lot. Or other bison coaches. Mm-hmm and I've reacted two ways generally to coaching, right. Either. I respond very positively. It reinforces my positive self-belief yeah. And I do better. Right. Or I get mad, pissed, and actively move against that coaching spit the bit and do worse.

Yeah. Right. Yeah. And I've done both. Yep. And it's common. It's really hard because working with your coaches as much psychology and compatibility of personalities, in some ways, sometimes it It doesn't matter if your personalities are different, it, it matters what your mindset is and what you take in of it.

Yeah. But, but a lot of times it's that interaction, which can either be negative or positive. And I have to say every time I think about it, it was really on me. Mm-hmm it wasn't really the coach. Mm-hmm it was what I was taking away. From that coach. Right. And either I was receptive or not receptive mm-hmm because you can always take away something from a coach, even a really, really bad coach.

I agree. You can still probably pull something out of it. Even if it's something negative, like that's not really something I would wanna do, but this, now I know that I like this. Right but it, for me never to take anything away or for it to impact my performance. It really came from me.

Yeah. As

[00:20:59] David Syvertsen: an athlete. Yeah. I mean, I'll say in any sport I've had, I've seen and I've had. Really good coaches that are they're pricks. They scare you. They they're not friendly. They almost seems like they don't care about you. And I've also had really good coaches that. I wish they cared more. It'll almost seem like they're just trying to make me happy.

Right. But they weren't being realistic. So this isn't really gonna be about like, all right, good coach, bad coach. Like there are a lot of good coaches. I'll use the NFL for an example that certain players do not respond well to that doesn't make the coach a bad coach. Right. Um, Again, that goes so much deeper with like the mental state psychology.

But I, I think that the pressure, a lot of times. That athletes do feel from coaches. And I don't wanna say all the times I hate when making general statements is that it's almost always athlete induced and. Is there, are there moments that as a coach that I've done that I feel like I have put pressure on someone there are, and sometimes that's planned.

Like I will give someone a certain goal for a workout, and I know that puts pressure on them. Part of it is I know what they can do. There are a lot of situations where I know an athlete can do that. The athlete doesn't know they can do just use yesterday for an example, the snatching mm-hmm like there are weights that people were failing that I know they physically can do, but there's certain habits that kept on creeping up.

The second, it got heavy. And I know for a fact, just strength wise, they can lift, they just have to prove to themselves and go under the bar confidence. Right. So yes, I can tell someone that failed a one 15 yesterday that they could do one 20. yes, you could do one 15 and you could do one 20 and you could do 1 25.

If you trust yourself on it. Does that put pressure on the athlete maybe, but I think you can make the argument that it could actually make the athlete shut off those negative voices in their head. So the pressure from the, the athlete perspective from the coach is not always a. Bad thing. I think again, we have to get away from the stigma of pressure is bad.

It is not bad. And if you run away from pressure, it's the same thing. As you running away from discomfort, which is the same thing as you running away from ever getting better at anything in your life, if you're just constantly running away from it. So I think you take that pressure in you say, all right, how can I filter this?

Now? This is where the coach needs to step up a little bit is if you are putting pressure on. Whether you realize it or not. This is the art of coaching is you have to try to find different ways to just like inject little glimpses of positivity and hope and inspiration rather than just like, Nope, you can do it.

You, you can get this row burpy workout, sub seven sub eight. I know you can. You just gotta go do it. You gotta try, you gotta suck it up. Right. Like I drew out a pace for Liz the other day on that workout and it was literally. What your Cal per hour pace should be on every single row and how long that will take, how long the burpee will take you.

If you maintain a three and a half second pace, if you step over, blah, blah, blah. And then when I, so I wrote down 27, 27, 21, 21, 15, 15 99. All I did that for a few people. And then when I wrote to, when I got to the nines, I didn't write any pace. I just said, suck it up. you know, and like that's what that workout is, right?

Like that, that, those last nine cows and I bures, you're not pacing that you're just gonna give everything you have. That's a H all thing, right? When there's under 40 seconds left in your workout, there's no more pacing. You just go, you go black. Right. And that's where that kind of pressure you need to know when, and when not to do that from the coaching perspective, the athlete, Hey, I feel pressure from this coach all the time.

You gotta ask yourself. Why do you feel that way? Is it really that it's the pressure that you're putting on yourself and you wanna blame it on someone else? Because I think a lot of people don't take responsibility for that. It's O it's easy to blame someone else. Like I'm overweight because you know, my spouse eats dirty.

Right. I have a drinking problem because my friends like to drink on the weekends. Right. I have a a sleeping problem because you know, my, my, my kids don't sleep at night or my wife wants to watch Netflix. Right. How often do you hear someone say, you know what, this is on me. Like what you just did, you know, that's, it's rare.

It's a rare trade that someone actually does that thoughts.

[00:24:53] Sam Rhee: I was thinking about all the times you've been coaching me. Yeah. And. It's funny in godfather, they say that there's a wartime Ary. Mm-hmm, , who's a, you know, sort of the person who helps you mm-hmm and I would say for any specific workout performance or in a workout, I have never seen anyone better than you in terms of coaching that person.

Right. Putting that confidence in their head. Yeah. Whether it's in the middle of a comp workout, right. Open workout, drawing up a pacing plan, right. Like focus on that. That is a talent that. It's really hard to develop. Mm-hmm , it's a, like, I would never want, I've not accomplished half of what I did in the middle of a workout.

Had you not been there right. Saying something even yesterday on the snatch workout. Yep. Just like, you know, lean back, look up. Yeah. You know? Right. Help me, , get to where I was going. Right. The other part and that's the acute like right there, part of coaching, building that confidence, getting someone from one 15 to 1 25 or 1 35 on their snatch intro work, which I have seen you do.

I saw you do it yesterday. Yep. For others. The other part, which is what Hinshaw had talked about, about building confidence for their athletes, like kapa, the long term training building confidence. That is a skill that takes a really long time, because like you said, you have to build in yeah.

Little things in order. To push. Yeah. And put pressure on your athlete. It's like a brick

[00:26:16] David Syvertsen: house. Like it's just like, there's so many bricks involved, you know? Right. And that

[00:26:19] Sam Rhee: is really tough because the coach and the athlete, the coach has to know the athlete really well. And they have to

[00:26:24] David Syvertsen: be on the same page for a long time.

That's the other

[00:26:25] Sam Rhee: thing the athlete has to buy in. Yes. And he talks about buy in and if you have problems with the pressure from your coach, maybe it's because you haven't bought in. Yeah. On that. And I would say that that's probably the always been the issue on my part is if I. Really mentally bought in on it, then that pressure wasn't received very well from me.

Right. So I would feel like. When I need that coaching, I would have to tell myself, get rid of the inner voicing. He doesn't know what he is talking about. Right. This is gonna hurt me. He doesn't get it. He doesn't right. He doesn't understand. Yeah. He's not listening to me, blah, blah, blah. And say, listen, let me buy in fully buy in for X period of time.

And. And, and do that. Yeah. And use that pressure in a positive way. Yes. And see what happens. Absolutely. And, and try that, because that, that in my experience

[00:27:18] David Syvertsen: has been what the problem has been. Yeah. Tho those are great words right there. And, and I do just think to wrap this part of it up is the athlete needs to fully trust the coach.

And if you don't like more power to you, like don't use the coach, right. Like at a gym like this, you don't always get to decide. I know some people do like, they'll go to a class with a certain coach, right. You know, but generally if you're especially gonna hire like a one-on-one coach, don't work with that coach.

And again, that doesn't mean you're bad. Doesn't mean they're bad. You're just not a fit for each. I had a coach for a couple years from crafted coaching. Yeah. I was

[00:27:48] Sam Rhee: gonna ask you about that experience and buying in and the pressure

[00:27:51] David Syvertsen: on that. It's funny how, when I first hired him and like he's a pretty well known coach from a pretty well organ well known organization.

And he, at that time was the head coach of that organization and he's coach games, athletes multiple times. Right. And I can remember my first, like four to five months, it was not a short time. Every time I sent him my workout result. I was like, oh my God, like, what's he gonna think? What's he gonna think?

And he would never really tell me other than like good job. And I'm like, at some point I was like, yo, am I doing good or not? Like you got, I really want to know whether. You go compare me to some of the other scores you have. And he goes like, if I compare you to the top guy in our organization, he's gonna be in every single workout, no matter what his name was, Nick block, who was a games athlete, master games, athlete ended up failing a drug test.

But how did you feel about that then? Well, at that point, yeah, in relation to this topic pressure. Did you feel, I mean, justified that, that I couldn't beat him anything. I mean, he was literally squatting a hundred more pounds than me on sets of five. Right? Like it wasn't even in the same tier, but I mean, even to this day, I I've, it's invalidated him in my head.

You know, I still, I don't know if I've fallen Instagram. I might have unfollowed him, but. Did it make you feel better? Oh yeah, absolutely. It did. but I remember always feeling like that. I actually listened to him on a podcast with another crafted coach and they said that athletes need to know, but coaches also have to train themselves on this.

That their self worth as a coach has nothing to do with the athlete's result. So if the athlete wins, the coach is not gonna walk around with a puffed out chest saying, I got them there. You'll be proud of them. Happy to be a part of it, obviously. Right. But at the same time, if the athlete fails does not perform well at the competition gets hurt.

Right. Coach is not going to hang their head and said like I screwed up. You know, it's kinda like the thought of like, when, as a team lose a team, like that's where I feel like, like if an athlete from here achieves something, qualify for something, win something. I can, I can relate to that in that I will never take any credit for it.

If they wanna dish out credit for 'em, but I'm not gonna like, oh, wow, you're a good person. You said, thank you to your coach. That's not like you have, you have to let the athlete kind of take care of that because it's what they believe. It's what they think. But at the same time, if the athlete does not do well to competition, I will not say, you know what?

That was my fault, but I'll probably go to them and say like, Hey, we, we, you know, we both need to step up the game here. We need to figure out a different. to take Dave book for an example, right? We're we have changed up our approach for his training since this past. You know, we did not reach our goal for this past open.

It was not a huge deal. But again, when I have an athlete that has a goal, like I'm gonna try to help them get to that goal when we don't get to that goal. I don't view either one of us as a failure, but I said like, all right, we might need to change up the approach a little bit. And we have, and he's doing really well right now.

He is. And again, but that's on him. He's the one that bought in. And I will say the last thing that, where I felt pressure from a coach in a positive way. My coach showed up to legends and that meant a lot to me that he showed up there. He, he flew from Puerto Rico to San Diego, left his kid. He was with his wifes, you know, and just a long time watching competitions, no offense to anyone.

It is not fun. Three days in a row. Definitely not fun. Mm-hmm but you're there for purpose. So you're not really there for there. You're there for work. Right. And. I remember that the hardest workout that I did, the, the moment of the weekend, where I was like, you know what? I actually have a good shot at this thing was the workout that started off with 50 Dumble dumbbell squats.

Then the dumbbell step overs, the overhead squat snatch with the dumb, it was so much, and then sandbag cleans at the end. It was the darkest. I went all weekend and he said to me moments before the workout, he goes, you gotta go on broken. and like that was pressure. I had zero desire or thought to go and broken in that workout.

That's not a workout. I usually can go and broken in. And that pressure, I felt I filtered it to, you know, what he believes in me. And I don't want to disappoint him, was part of the thought process. It had more about the pressure I put on myself, which is, well, talk about next, but that pressure that that's just that one little line, probably about 60 seconds before the workout started. You gotta go on broken was. You know, so much pressure from that moment came on into my head before the workout, but it helped me and it channeled like a channeled confidence. So I, I think that the pressure that an coach does put on you, if you are an athlete and you ever feel pressure from a coach, I think two things you should be thankful that you feel that way, because that means the, you know, the coach is really, you know, trying to help you out, right.

They're going outta the way, but B you have to trust the coach. You can't put your negative spin. And if that is you, if you do feel that negative spin, the second, the coach says, Hey, I think you can do this. I know you can do this. You gotta buy into that. So the pressure that, the next pressure, there's two more that we feel okay, is that the pressure we put on ourselves?

And I think this is probably the most prevalent I

[00:32:41] Sam Rhee: was about to say is the biggest one that I see all the time. Yeah.

[00:32:44] David Syvertsen: And I, I do think as we mature and that most of the people that we work with, like it is, I, I think this is probably 75% of the pressure. Is I come in with this expectation of myself, whether it's realistic or not is a different story.

but reflect on some of the pressure that you've put on yourself, whether it's performance based lifestyle base, whatever. This

[00:33:03] Sam Rhee: is the one I hear from everybody. Especially like, for example, my spouse. Yeah. She'll look at the workout and be like, oh my God, that's 50 wall balls.

[00:33:12] David Syvertsen: How am I gonna

[00:33:14] Sam Rhee: that? Oh, like, and I hear that from.

Athletes every day coming in.

[00:33:18] David Syvertsen: We're gonna hear that a lot on Tuesday. Oh my

[00:33:20] Sam Rhee: God. Oh my God. How can I do this? And that, that pressure that they put on themselves and is one it's good in the sense that they care? Yes. So it shows they're caring. Yep. But two, most of the time when I hear it, I like hearing it for about 15 seconds.

Mm-hmm and then I would really like it when I hear that for people. Translate that into something positive as opposed to just a bitch Fest about yeah. Right. How crappy that workout's gonna feel. Yeah. So I don't mind hearing it first. Yeah. But don't, complain for more than 15 seconds. Yeah. Turn it into something like, okay, well, I guess I'm gonna have to, and then right.

Break it up into tens and know what you

[00:34:05] David Syvertsen: are saying, whatever it is, you're a problem solver, right? Like that's what you do. Like I I've, you know, my wife and I have had little like arguments here and there about this kind of stuff where like, sometimes. and using your spouse as an example, right? Sometimes they just want vent , you know, like about the frustration of like, wow, this is gonna be really hard.

I understand. So, and when I hear that, like Ashley did that front squad to bar work the other day and like, you know, she's like, I can't do this. This is too hard. I'm be by myself. I'm gonna be so sore and like, I almost skip over the empathy stage. I'm like, all right, so let's do this. You got a minute 30 to do your squad.

You got a minute to your, to of bar. That means you could break four times. You could break three times rest. And she's like, why do you, why can't you just let me be upset?

[00:34:43] Sam Rhee: that's exactly what Susan would say. She's like you skipped the empathy stage.

[00:34:48] David Syvertsen: so, I mean the, the spouse and family, I know we have a lot of coaches.

You know, their spouse either does CrossFit or has been involved or they tried to coach 'em Ramson I joke about this all the time. Like there's certain things you're just not gonna take in from your spouse and that's fine, but let's, let's remove that. Right. I'm gonna hear a lot of this on Tuesday that this workout's gonna be a little too hard and honestly, I think it's gonna be hard.

I know it's gonna be a pain cave workout. I've watched some really good athletes do this workout and watched really good athletes get beat up by it. And, you know, going into that, sometimes I, if your mindset. Is under that negative state. I'm telling you this right now. I promise your workout will be worse.

And I think some people will rationalize their reaction to a workout like that. What we're talking about. Oh, well, if I set my expectations really low, I won't be disappointed if I do poorly, but maybe I'll do really well. And I'll, I'll exceed those expectations. It's a losing mindset. That if, if you don't really aim high and try to take the positivity and say like, Hey, this is gonna be a really good fitness test.

This is gonna really open your eyes. I'm telling you this right now that you are going to be surprised by the scores on Tuesday. Yeah. I'm telling, I promise it's not gonna be your traditional. All right. You're normally top scores of this. There there's a lot to this workout. And I know this because I've talked to people from around the country that have done this and the ones that are doing well are not the ones that I thought would do well.

They're not the ones that are doing well in other. and it it's gonna be really interesting. So I think that you might not know that this is a good workout for you, right? You might only be looking at the wall balls and being like, man, those are kinda tough. You know what I'm looking at? That I'm scared of the double there's, you know, like I'm not even thinking about the wall balls.

I don't care about them. Right. I, but the doubles, when I, and you've seen this in action before, like when I really get to like that state, like I can't do, I can't string 10 together. And then my head, I, my mental state. South so fast. And like, that's like my biggest challenge, but you know, what, if I have a good double under day, if Susan has a good wall all day, you might actually exceed your expectation on that workout.

So I think that coming into a workout like this, or any workout where there's something that means be there's meaning behind it. Right. I hear the butterfly in my stomach line during the open eight times a week from people that don't compete at all. They're just like, why am I so nervous? And I say, it's what you said in your opening statement about this.

It means you. And I think it's a good thing. If you ever come to a workout, you never feel pressure from yourself ever. I think that's a bad sign.

[00:37:13] Sam Rhee: People deal with that inner voice, a lot of different ways. And I will reference two CrossFit articles and I'll just put, I won't talk about 'em too much.

I'll just put 'em in the, on the website. One of 'em is CrossFit journal, article performance, psychology, taming your inner voice by Wendy swift, which was I read it. I thought that was great. And then the mind game by Steven Rigo and they're both CrossFit articles about performance psychology about how to approach some of this inner voice stuff.

Mm-hmm personally, I've gotten to the point where I will look at a workout, I will say, like, we all focus on what we have issues, right, right. It, it will be the wild balls for me, or I'm short. So maybe it'll be the dumbbell step ups. I'm like, that's gonna be, those are a grind. Yep. And then I will try to clear my head.

So before a workout, I find personally letting go of all of it and trying to keep the most open mind mm-hmm and then just focusing on my technique, like, okay. Step up. Don't take that step back after you come down on the box jumps, make sure I am, trying to catch like points of performance, catch that wall ball and come up really smoothly.

Yeah. Yep. Like all of the things that I can focus on about the workout, I don't necessarily focus on the time or. Or good, you know, how much pain I'm gonna feel, cuz I know I'll get there anyway. Yes. And I just try to focus on the little things, which is one of the techniques they talk about. Right? I think a lot of people will focus on a lot of different things, but the key is really, this happens in life a lot, right?

I mean, how many things do we have in life where like, man, I gotta do this or. Look at this and I don't wanna do this. Yep. And a lot of times we can translate how we deal with a particular workout yep. Into. Whatever crappy thing we're supposed to do today. Yeah. And if you continually work on controlling that inner voice and, the complaint Fest that most of us keep breaking out into, or yeah.

Or perseverating over a certain thing and, and. And almost like you said, putting us into a spiral of negative performance. Yeah.

[00:39:18] David Syvertsen: Actually makes things worse. Right,

[00:39:20] Sam Rhee: right. I hate it when, and I, it happens though, and I hate it when I know I was the one who defeated myself. Yep. In a workout. Yep. It was because of what I was thinking, going into it.

That made me do worse. Yep. I hate that feeling. Yep. And if, if you hate that feeling, then you're gonna find ways not to do that anymore. Right?

[00:39:37] David Syvertsen: Yeah. And I, I remember I was golfing with a buddy named Andrew. I think this was even a year and a half, two years ago. And he told me, he's like one thing that crossed the top and he's not like a fire breather at all.

He's like, you know, just here, here for the workout. he said that one thing Crossett taught me was like, when I do have to do things at home, like projects, right. He, he described a project where he had a huge pile of mulch dumped in his backyard and he had one little wheel barrel and he had to like wheel all the way to the backyard.

And he was like, I honestly. It was like a CrossFit workout to me. I just said all it's a hundred rounds of fill that wheelbarrow go back there. And he goes like, and I, I never stopped. And he goes like, that's the kind of stuff that used to be like, I would stop two hours in, go eat lunch, watch TV. I still have to do more, go back out negative mindset.

And he goes, like, I was done quicker. I felt like I got good workout. And he never went into a negative state. He just got the job done. And I think that's kind of what these workouts can really teach you about like your life. But also if you wanna stick it to the workout itself, if you do focus on something small micro level, like the I'm right.

I'm gonna try to do you. Perfect form on my step up. I'm gonna try to push off my bottom leg every time I'm gonna try to relax my shoulders. You eventually get to this task of you either got your three rounds done, or you got a 20 minute cap. Sorry. So no, one's gonna work out more than 20 minutes. And again, you eventually get there and actually it improves your level of fitness.

This is where I think there are forms of fitness that you're being tested. Right? We have this workout Tuesday that for summit is a test. We have the benchmark workout the next Tuesday, which is gonna be a retest. Right. But you can also view them. Just simple training sessions. And instead of me trying to get my best time on Tuesday's workout, I'm gonna try to get perfect wall balls every single time.

That's a great thought a training session rather than a test session. And honestly, most of you guys that listen to this, you're never gonna have to test yourself anything across it. You're here for fitness. You're here for health. You're for happiness. Like, you know, I, I think the more you remove yourself and I think one of the things that my coach did for me that helped me Filter some of the internal pressure, because like the most pressure I do feel personally when I perform is, is from myself.

I really honestly do not feel pressure from anyone else anymore. And that's, you know, it's been that way for a couple years now and I, and I'm happier that way. But one thing that my coach really started to teach me, and this is what I'm trying to put on other people as well. Is, he would send me like 70% effort, 80% effort, 85% effort workout sessions.

And at the end of the workout, like I was spent on these 80% days, like smoked, but in the middle of the workout rounds, once it was a five round workout rounds, 1, 2, 3, that 80% mindset. It took all pressure away from me cuz I wasn't shooting at, he didn't say all right, do this workout in 12 minutes.

Beat this time of 10 34. And I think that's why he never shared other results because he knew, like we talked a lot, him, my coach and I, and he's, and he's like, you are different in that. You always want to put something on paper to go chase. And he goes like, it's not the way to do it. And so Tuesday's workout everyone.

That's listening to this. Right. Don't only put a certain time on it unless you know that you have adopted this competitive mindset. If you're here for the workout and it's not gonna make a world, the difference for you, if you're 16 or 17 minutes, if you're 18 minutes or you don't finish right. Pick something in the workout that you're trying to pursue, it could be, you know what sets of five on my wall ball.

Right? That sounds silly, but it's not, I guarantee people could do really well in the workout. If they did five wall walls at a time is again, it's not about your rev. It's about your quality of movement and how long you rest in between the rest and sets.

[00:43:02] Sam Rhee: The one thing I was thinking about with this workout is watching these people is, you know, it's three rounds and the hardest is like halfway into the second round.

Yes. Cause you're thinking I gotta finish this second round and now I have a whole third round to go. Yep. And I felt that way in a lot of workouts where you get to that hard point. And that's what I may mean when I say I get mad at myself. If, if I didn't. Get tough. Yes. During that part of it. Yeah. I don't really care about my performance.

Right. As long as I felt like I was mentally tough. Yeah. During that hard part. Yes. And I feel like that's one of the biggest training points about CrossFit is you get to that point and you're like, do you. Get tough and grind it out. Or do you go back or do you just fall apart and be like, I'm gonna take extra 10 seconds here, 20 seconds and I've done it both ways.

Yeah. A lot of everyday classes I'll sit there and be like, okay, this is the time where it's the gut check. Yep. And I'm not feeling it today, so I'm gonna take that extra rest. That's wrong. But this one, like there's a little bit more to it. Yep. So I'm gonna see where I am with it mentally and say, okay, can I really feel like I'm giving it my effort and, and making it a real gut check?

Yep. And it sounds stupid. You know, like I'm a CrossFit Kool-Aid drinker, but I do that in life a lot too. Yeah. Like I'll do a really long case and I'll be like, okay, this is the third of the fourth or fifth round. Yes. That I gotta do. Yeah. I gotta gut it. Just like, and it'll be downhill after this. So let, let me don't lose focus.

Yeah. Really get it done. Yeah. And then I can keep,

[00:44:28] David Syvertsen: you're always glad you did it that way. Always like every time, like I think if you can just suck it up, I hate always saying it gets overused. I know I overuse it. Right. But if you do do that a few times, You start to be like, wow, I feel so much better about myself.

All right. Take, take the score out of it. Right. I feel better about myself. And that's part of what we, a lot of what we do here. We want people to increase their confidence and take lessons that they learn from working out and put it to their real life. And. , I don't think I've ever had a situation. I've gone both ways too.

I've I've shorted it, shorted the effort. Let other things take over. Got lazy. Right. And lack of discipline. And those are the times I'm always like, oh, I did it again. Yes. Screwed up. But the times where I didn't, I pushed through, I achieved something. You look back on it. Like that's a feeling of pride that you'll never experience unless you do push forward.

And, but it actually, in my opinion, it becomes. Like once you start seeing those results a few times, I like this feeling. I hate the other feeling, you know, and you're never gonna be perfect. That's not what this is about, but that pressure actually gets filtered into a positive. I feel pressure to go this way.

Not the not backwards.

[00:45:33] Sam Rhee: That's the part that I like teaching my kids

[00:45:35] David Syvertsen: about. Yeah, absolutely. So the last one, this is gonna be an interesting one. I think some of you guys are not gonna relate to this, but you're not a coach, but the, the pressure that coaches feel from athletes and I am actually talking about performance.

I don't wanna get too much into the pressure coach feels to coach because this, this workout is about performance pressure, all right. Or pressure to perform. I take it from me if you're not a coach and you never talk to another coach about this, your coaches have either felt or continue to feel or will feel pressure to perform to a certain level in workouts because of the athletes.

And one of the worst lines that I think anyone can use. When talking to a coach, if an athlete talks to a coach is, well, if you can't do it, what should I, you know, like what, what I'll practice, what you preach, you know, like you shouldn't be teaching a muscle up, you can't even do a muscle up. Like that's probably one of the most offensive things someone could say to a coach.

Yeah. And it is something that if I ever heard someone say that to a coach here, there would be zero hesitation. And go into that athlete and get in their face and give them the, the truth. And that's one, like one thing that we have our coaches backs on. Like if I ever heard anyone say something like that now, There are voices in people's heads.

Like, you know, we don't always say what we feel, people might be thinking it. Yes. Like, and it's it. In my opinion, there is some validity and credibility behind the quality of the movement technique. You know, we don't move perfectly. That's not what we're talking about, but if you're the person that's always doing things incorrectly and you've been doing it for six years, maybe there are some things that we should talk about, right.

Or that can be responsibly discussed. But talk about any pressure that you have felt as a. On, you can make it either movement based like a movement that you struggle with. There, aren't a lot of things that you really struggle with, but you have things that you're better at than others. Same thing with here, I've always been insecure coaching pistols because there's certain days like I can't do one, you know, I would say more often than not.

When I coach pistols, I, I like, I need to warm up for pistols for like 20 minutes, you know? And that, that, that's a feeling of pressure that do I lack credibility as a coach if I can't do a certain movement thoughts?

[00:47:39] Sam Rhee: No, I've never felt that that pressure and sense that if I can't do something, I have difficulty coaching it.

Yep. That came up in the L two. That course I took. Yeah. And they said you have to be able to demonstrate movements right. With the form that you want your athletes to do. But you know, if it's a barbell, you're using a PVC pipe, right. You're not using 135 pound barbell to demo these movements. Right. The gymnastics stuff, you can use someone else as a demo.

If you want to mm-hmm or. Or you can talk your way through it. And maybe it's just because I'm not the, you know, never been the best athlete in the gym that I never ever felt. That kind of pressure. I think if you were a really good CrossFit athlete and you are coaching, you might feel some obligation right.

To, to demo the way, all of the movements, the way you want to. Yep. The pressure I do feel though, is that when I do work out more and more, now, it used to be less, but now I feel it more is when I work out in a. Am I moving well, right before I really cared about maybe my time. Right. And now, especially that I videoed myself, I start to look and say, you know, that looks a little sloppy.

Yep. Or my, you know, it looked okay at the beginning of the workout, but it really looked like crap at the end of the workout. Yep. And now I know, I really believe athletes have looked at me and said, wow, this. Doesn't move that. Great. Mm-hmm and I feel pressure, but it's a good pressure. It's a good pressure.

Yeah. That I need to make sure that whatever it is that I do, I keep to standard. Yeah. You know, especially with technique inform. Yeah. Yeah. I, I, I think I feel a lot on wall balls cuz I never can tell how deep I'm squatting on wall balls. Yeah. And one of the reasons why I'm, I feel like I might be doing better on wall balls is.

Feel like people are looking at me. Mm-hmm to be a decent wall ball

[00:49:23] David Syvertsen: standard holder. Yeah. And we've talked about this with our coaches in our meetings before that, you know, we, we, I have zero expectation of how many times they work out per week, what classes they come to. Like that's more of like an individual case individual situation.

Right? I do think they should do cross it, but. the, the in terms of how well they do in a workout and how, what does well mean? Like their score? I have zero expectation. I don't care if it's RX, if it's scaled, if it's mixed, if it goes back and forth, I do care that the coach is setting the example for in multiple ways, right?

How they act in the class, being respectful to the coach, don't be in the person that needs this, you know, this zone with this bar, with this, you know, this box, that wall ball, right. and because I think that filters down, but, and also with how intentional they are with quality movement, right. It would be foolish of me in my opinion, to say, your form has to be perfect on every single movement.

You can't go clean another 15 pounds until you perfect. That five pounds. I will treat them like an athlete and say like, Hey, you've gotta get better at 80 to 90% before you go for that one at max again. And but the. It would be foolish to say you have to move perfect because that's too subjective of a line.

And there is, in my opinion, there is no perfect movement. I remember learning that at my L two. If you can't pick something apart from someone's movement, then you probably need to coach harder. Right? Like we could all get better. So I try to stray away from like that subjective style and say, and, but you can tell if an athlete is intentional about moving.

You know, I, I think it does take some experience as a coach. You know, like sometimes someone is trying to move well, they just, they're not, but if you don't, if you're not, if you don't know the person, their situation, their history, it's hard to, or you don't have a lot of coaching experience yourself, you might not be able to really say no, they're not actually trying to move well, they're just trying to get the score.

That's one thing I try to really inflict on coaches, but knowing at some point you are gonna break down, like you're gonna have that chicken wing muscle. You know, your wall ball death might not be there. I don't, I never have thought that your intent was fuck it. I'm just gonna go, try to go for the number.

Oh, true.

[00:51:23] Sam Rhee: Yeah. I just didn't know. Yeah. You probably feel some different pressures. Yeah. Because you are the owner. You have been a very high level. CrossFitter at the gym , and you coach a lot of people pressures as a coach. Different that's different than maybe some of the other coaches may,

[00:51:39] David Syvertsen: maybe.

I mean, again, performance. No. Like, I really don't feel like I need to perform to a certain level in the gym on a score, but I do feel pressure that everything that revolves around CrossFit needs to be right. Like there are times I get disappointed in myself that like, especially this summer, right. Like Ash and I, we have fun drink a little extra.

Don't really diet that much. Right. We don't like, don't go crazy. You know, at some point you say, all right, we gotta turn it up. Like we actually had the discussion yesterday, you know, she's like, can we go pick up rocking? We get ice cream. And I'm like, I told her, I was like, I think I'm done with that for, for the fall.

Like I, you gotta go, oh, I know she was not that's exactly what I heard but it, you know, but I do feel pressure that like, I really want to amp up my training. Right. My knees starting to feel better. I'm starting to feel pretty good, but I know that. We've talked about this last week. That lifestyle needs to get back there first, before I pick up my volume.

Right. I should not pick up my volume if I don't clean the other things up. That's the pressure I feel. And again, it's a good thing. It's accountability. Right? That's what it is. But, but I also pay attention to like how well I'm moving. There's there's certain days where I'm watching a video of my workout.

I'm like, Ugh, like my movement was bad. Especially like on a heavy clean where I kind of like starfish the feet a little bit. Right. Like I tried to get not other people to not do that. And I do, especially if I'm in a class, right. Or if I post something on Instagram, like, man, I really hope this movement's clean.

And I will. That's where I, maybe a little bit of a weakness where I don't want to go down the path of what does that person think? What does that person think? But when it's always from the angle of, I'm a coach, I'm a leader of one of the leaders of the gym. I don't ever want to. give authors perception, what we practice and what we teach you in classes.

And on this podcast, we're not doing ourselves. And I think it has a filter down effect. Yeah. So that, that's a lot of the pressure that I feel. Are there any closing thoughts that you have on this? Just overall big picture feeling of pressure to perform from any of these. No.

[00:53:38] Sam Rhee: I feel like everyone has their own stories about where they feel pressure.

I think we should welcome people sharing those stories. Maybe we can cover them if you have something that you wanna say or, or specific instance or a question about how do I deal with this kind of pressure. I think that would be really interesting

[00:53:54] David Syvertsen: to sort of go down. Yeah. Awesome. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of different backgrounds here, a lot of different stories and I do feel the more I listen to people here, the more I learn about, you know, what never thought about it from that angle.

And it actually. If you're feeling a certain way, I guarantee there's other people feeling the same way and it might actually help them for you to kind of voice that reasoning behind it. All right. So thank you guys. Hopefully you got something outta that and we'll see you next time.