S01E24 - Mistakes CrossFit Athletes Make

Our next episode is again with guest Mike DelaTorre @coachmiked, fellow coach @crossfitbison. This time we get after the ATHLETES. We discuss what are some of the common mistakes CrossFit athletes make. We have made many or all of these mistakes. How about you?

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TRANSCRIPT S01E24 - Common Mistakes CrossFit ATHLETES Make

[00:00:00] David Syvertsen: All right. Welcome back to the HerdFit podcast. I'm here with Dr. Sam Rhee myself coach David Syvertsen and our special guest for episode number three, coach Mike DelaTorre. We just got done recording an episode on mistakes that coaches make, even though we're perfect.

No, we make a lot of mistakes as coaches, and we're also all three of us are athletes as well. And it's funny in this room, I actually think we're really different athletes, not, not performance wise, what our goals are and how we approach CrossFit. So I think it's kinda cool that to have, just three perspective, if we were like three fire-breathing, I want to make the CrossFit games like this would probably be like, not fun to listen to.

[00:00:35] Sam Rhee: There's only one of us there.

[00:00:36] David Syvertsen: But if we were all like three, like unbelievably ripped athletes, there's only one of us here.

[00:00:41] Sam Rhee: Dave, why do you keep talking about yourself?

[00:00:43] David Syvertsen: But I, I think that it's, we, we have different perspectives of what it is to be an athlete and CrossFit, right. And there are some famous CrossFit coaches that say, don't stop calling your, your members, athletes. Like F-you, they're all athletes, right? Absolutely. You don't need a certain level of performance to be considered an athlete. Like I, I call our people athletes all the time. I'd never call our people members unless I'm talking business with someone, they're athletes for me.

Yeah. They're athletes. So we're going to go over a lot of mistakes that they've made and that we've made as athletes from different perspective, which is going to be kind of fun and fulfilling. And the first one we'll keep this one, we'll probably get a little deeper coming up after this is trash-talking and I love trash-talk.

I grew up with three brothers, like there wasn't a day that went by that we didn't trash talk each other, and some of it, led to fighting. But trash talking to me is not you joking around with your friend. I think that's good for the gym. I think it's good to have some healthy competition in the gym.

Trash talking to me is more talking trash about other people in relation to being an athlete. Right. And I get this a lot. I don't know if you guys do, but you get really angry about someone. Else's the way they move the score. And if it's not from a coaching perspective, we have athletes in our gym. We talk about all that.

And coaches are allowed to talk about athletes, guys, newsflash, right? It's our job to help you. So we need to talk about you, but when another athlete talks about another athlete saying like they didn't squat deep enough, they didn't lock out their elbows, their cheating reps. It's frustrating as hell.

Trust me, right? From an athlete perspective and coach perspective, it's really frustrating, but to harp on it over and over and over again for years, it's, it's not a good look because it you're really putting a lot. Like you probably could be a better athlete yourself. If you put more attention on getting better than putting the attention on someone else.

[00:02:32] Mike DelaTorre: I, I used to think of myself, man, and they used, they still say it at the level one oh, be relentless, be relentless with your coaching. It's yes, but there's also there. There's a point right? Where It might be just a simple fact that whatever you're doing as a coach, isn't, isn't connecting with that person.

So maybe you got to change the way that you're communicating. Right. That's big. And then for some people, I, I believe that 99% of people that like don't lock out the rep say don't lock out their elbows on a press. I don't know. Like 99% of them aren't doing it maliciously. No, they just don't know.

Maybe they've never done CrossFit. Maybe they've never worked out before. So they don't know the feeling of locking it out every single time. Right. A lot of that comes with, with the practicing.

[00:03:17] David Syvertsen: Yeah. I, an athlete yesterday, new member and we did a step ups and at the end of her step up, she kept on not standing the full extension.

She was like, literally just hunched over, get her feet on the bus, get off. And I went over Hey, you got to stand all the way up. And then she did the same thing again. I'm like, no, no, no. Like you have to lock your knees out. And then she did it again. And I'm like, is she, is she trying to piss me? No, but she was like, she was, I always hold on, you got to stop.

And she goes, I was like, yeah, she has to stand on top of the box. And almost stop for a second. She goes, oh I didn't, I didn't know. That's what you meant. Right? There was no, like she just started, she's not like trying to be malicious. She's not trying to cheat. She doesn't give a shit about beating anybody in the gym, but she, she just didn't know if I am on the other side of the gym.

And I am foolishly competing with her, even though I don't know her. And I don't know her standards and all that. Right. I would, I could get mad at that. And like, why isn't she standing up? I'm standing up. Why doesn't she it's dude here. Do you work out?

[00:04:08] Mike DelaTorre: Yeah. I I think one of the biggest things that for me as an athlete especially now where I'm, where I'm at with CrossFit and my like career, as an athlete, it's I just want to make sure that I'm getting the best workout possible so that it helps me outside of the gym.

And so I feel good, man, and a lot of that is I just pay attention to myself and I'm moving, which is hard to do sometimes because we're working with people by nature. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, I think, by doing that, it just, it's also made me a lot happier.

[00:04:34] David Syvertsen: Yeah, right. No, really.

[00:04:36] Sam Rhee: I mean, I do see a lot of, not a lot, but some people who look at the whiteboard and like that person is totally I don't believe that that's BS. Yeah. And and you're right. Well as coaches, sometimes we say that too, about certain athletes. Yeah. But you're right for it to be repetitive. Yeah. There's a certain amount of, I don't want to say hate, but there is hate.

And, and I remember thinking about when we hate something or someone there's usually a couple of reasons why one is we're hating ourselves or we're hating something that we see in ourselves in that person.

[00:05:11] David Syvertsen: Or we want to be like that person some jealousy.

[00:05:15] Sam Rhee: Yeah. So, when I see someone who really harps on somebody, I'm usually asking myself not so much, is that person cheating on their reps or doing that?

I'm I'm usually asking myself, why does that person express it, so repetitively against this person, what does this person have? Do they want to be like that person? And they're just pissed off that they're not like that person do they, are they doing something? And that person's just doing it better than they are.

What sort of self hate do they have inside that? There's just sort of expressing it by putting it on someone else? And so when I see negativity like that, I'm usually sort of trying to be like, why are you, what's the story behind? Yeah. What's going on?

[00:05:54] David Syvertsen: Now, let me ask you this. And this is a, this is tough. I'm going to ask you guys a tough question. Don't trash-talk other athletes and how poorly they move. All right. But what if it comes to a competition season or an open season where we do have standards and your score is based on doing stuff, right? And that, that talks our secrete bent a little bit, because I do think that's where some, I do think.

And I don't think they'll openly admit it. There's athletes in our gym. And I'm sure there's athletes that this is a very common cross of thing. They want to have a certain status. Top 10, top 15, top five top to top girl, top guy. Right. And that person that they're competing with or the group of people they're competing with, they see them getting away with things that they don't get away with, is that, is it warranted to, to voice your frustration about someone in that scenario?

[00:06:40] Sam Rhee: Absolutely not. And this happened not too well, sort of, to me, like in the open or I dunno, whatever it was a cog maybe where someone came up to me and was like that person's judge let them get away with murder. And their score was like X reps better. And that totally did not perform the way you did should have been less. And I really don't care. I know. I really don't.

[00:07:03] David Syvertsen: It's really not. It shouldn't bother you, but if it does your lap, I don't know what to respond.

[00:07:10] Sam Rhee: Maybe if the stakes were high. Yeah. It would like the hot status. Trust me. Yeah. The stakes at a certain point, I will care. Right. I'm not going to fool myself about and be that generous about it.

Yeah. But at most levels, I don't, I don't feel that level.

[00:07:24] David Syvertsen: Especially if you're here for leisure, like leisure sports slash I'm here for fitness. It does not matter. Right. Right. What, where are you? Where are you ranking? The gym does not matter,

[00:07:34] Sam Rhee: But I listen to games, athletes when they're talking candidly, it really matters to them.

[00:07:38] David Syvertsen: So yeah, it is. That's where I do. I do think when there are competitive and standards set out there. I think you're allowed to say something.

[00:07:50] Sam Rhee: I hear it it's fair at that level. Yeah.

[00:07:53] Mike DelaTorre: And yet to figure too, when it comes to that level, I mean, it's much more professional, you know what I mean? Like the judges are really on point.

Right. So I think there's also that to, to take in mind.

[00:08:06] David Syvertsen: I mean, we hear this all the time, even at our local competitions, when we go there's always like some judge that just is not doing their job. And I hear that. Not even from our members, just from like you're in the crowd, listening and watching the people you're like that.

Person's like that bitch is locking out our elbows. know, Like that person that's squatting. Like they, they, they, you hear the complaints all the time. And it's look at what, where do we cut this off? Like you gotta shut up and just focus on yourself. And in, in my opinion, in any competitive environment, it's, it's allowed to be brought up.

I don't think it should be brought up day-to-day on daily. Right.

[00:08:39] Sam Rhee: And I don't think games athletes, when they talk about it. They're not crapping on that athlete. Yeah. They're just talking about the fairness in general, like activity, like for example, when the turf was kinda messed up on one side versus the other, like they just they went ape shit over it, but it wasn't that, that they were thought they thought somehow was gaining an unfair advantage intentionally, they just want a level playing field. And when the judging is inconsistent or the circumstances are inconsistent when you have to run 20 more meters and someone else, because you're in the back of the gym. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. I mean,

[00:09:11] David Syvertsen: that's why it's not a daily competition.

Yeah. That's exactly

[00:09:14] Mike DelaTorre: what, well, dude, I, it's funny, we're talking about this because when I went to regionals in 2011 that chipper workout one of the standards for the kettlebell swing it's it was an American swing and overhead swing. The bottom of the kettlebell had to be like completely parallel with this.

[00:09:29] David Syvertsen: Yes. Oh yes. Yeah. Tim or someone else actually talked to me. We just had a class about that last week. Yeah.

[00:09:34] Mike DelaTorre: And, and I remember our judge. Was like super, super, super diligent about that. And she know wrapped us, like probably a billion times, and people were getting mad and this and that, but, she was just doing her number one, she was holding the standard that they wanted her to hold.

And number two, I mean, honestly, like what, we couldn't do anything about it, man. That's a car that we were dealt, so we just, we just did the work at the end of the day. That's all you can do sometimes is just do the work.

[00:10:04] David Syvertsen: Yep. Cool. All right. Next topic. Okay. I want so finding that bison is a happy place for you.

It's a safe place for you. All right. You're there for yourself, right? You come here and you work out. That's why I come. When I come work out, I'm here for me. I'm not here for you and I here. I'm here for me when I work out. Right. And I think most people are like that. Okay. In the same sentence, you need to know that this place is not about you, right?

This place is here for you, but this place is not here because of you. Right. And I, and I mean that for everybody, the three of us sitting up here, like if, if we left, if for whatever reason, for whatever reason, either one of us left bison tomorrow, Bisons fine. Right? Like it's not going anywhere. It's gonna have a great environment, great culture.

It's going to be one of the best crosses in the world. And so I think that's it's kind of like an ego check in a way. And I want people to know that when they come here, All right, they're going to get help. They're going to get service. Right. But the other people are not here just for you. And I think that's one of the biggest mistakes I'm an athlete at across it will make is like they have this perception that they deserve something when they come here beyond what anyone else deserves.

[00:11:11] Mike DelaTorre: Yeah. Yeah, dude you can't make it, you can't make it about yourself. If that's your goal is, is to come into whether it's bison or another jam and just make it about you. Right. That, I mean, maybe there, I mean, there are some gyms like that, I guess, but it's, it's not like that here.

And it's not like that at, I'd say most gyms I've, I've coached that it's no one really cares kind of, yeah. At the end of the day. Cause like you said, like everyone's is here really for, for themselves. Like they're doing this for their benefit. They're doing it because they, they love it. They enjoy it.

They think it's super fun. If you're looking for attention. A place like this might not be the right venue for you. Right. Do a competition, I guess, or something. I don't know.

[00:11:50] Sam Rhee: Right. I mean, I do know of some people who think internally that way, that, they're paying a lot of money for CrossFit bison, more than a regular gym.

And so they deserve either a certain level of performance, a certain level of attention, a certain level, you name it, but that is the wrong attitude to take for an extremely discourteous to everyone else. This is really a PR like you're paying, but it's it's really a privilege in a lot of ways to be here.

When you buy a first class ticket to fly somewhere, right? Yes. You deserve, you expect a certain level of service, but that does not mean that you can trash the first class cabin and expect the flight person to sit and wait on you hand and foot. Yeah. And as coaches, that is not our job to sit there and service you in whatever manner you think you're accustomed to.

And then you can drop the barbell or you could do whatever, and not have common courtesy for everyone else. Right. Right. This place works because we're together as a community and you are buying yourself a place in the community and working. For yourself to get better, but by definition, it only works if everyone is working together to get better, right? If everyone were selfish a-holes here, you wouldn't want to be here. It wouldn't work. Right. So don't be a selfish asshole because that's not how you would get better or anyone else is going to get better. Right. So if you expect someone else next to you to be courteous to you, to not drop the freaking bar bell, to clean up their crap, to focus on just being a good member, then maybe you should do that too.

[00:13:26] Mike DelaTorre: Well. I was, I was telling Dave earlier was like bison attracts a certain type of person, for sure. We're like 99% of people here, are good people and. They stay like people are like-minded, people are attracted to each other. Right. And we're really lucky in that, in that aspect that, we have that, that type of community here. Right. So

[00:13:48] David Syvertsen: No, we're very blessed with the people that would come here and it is partial. When you come here, you do get the certain vibe that you can't act a certain way. And we've seen this. I told them that there have been people that have tried our gym out or they drop in from another gym and I can tell, and I think they can tell quickly too, if they're not a fit and it's not because of performance, it's not what they look like.

It's not what race or gender they are. It's how they just treat the gym and the community. Right. Like we're not, we're not venting about people dropping barbells. We're saying if everybody did that, this would be a terrible place. Right. We're not venting about wanting attention versus not wanting attention.

It's if everyone was like, I'm big on, if everybody was like, What would this place be? Like? I think everybody should act like that. If everyone did exactly what you did. If everyone showed up five minutes late to a class, well, this place would be like, all right, then stop showing a plate. Like stuff like that's my next topic, by the way.

That's why that came up in my mind. But these are things that I'm like to piggyback on something that we talked about last class, like how, like I coach Dave favors certain people. Right. And again, I've been told that and I'll always take it as maybe I am doing that. Take a step back and try to examine it from the outside.

But I always want to sometimes, like my reply to that person is usually Hey, those people that say that are usually the people that get more attention than the average member. It's funny how that works. Right? It's like they, they already get a lot of attention and then they're the ones complaining about not getting enough attention.

And I think that really revolves around the person, not able to take a step back from themselves and say, you know what. Yeah, this place isn't about me and maybe there's going something going on with that other person that I just don't know about. Right. Because again, it's not about you and it's not about me either, right?

I, I, I'm one of the owners and I've been here since the beginning. It's not about me. This place is not here because of me. It's not here for me. I can use this place for myself, but there's a lot of people that need a lot out of this place and I'm one of them. And so you guys, and so it's everyone that come, everyone needs something from this place. And I just got to always be cognizant of that. That's true.

[00:15:53] Sam Rhee: The thumb about if you had all of those types of people, like the same, like what would this place be? And if, and it doesn't matter your performance, like if we had a bazillion Ryan Radcliffe's great. If we had a bazillion Ron Ananians.

[00:16:05] David Syvertsen: Yeah. Awesome. Yeah.

[00:16:08] Sam Rhee: That, that's the kind of stuff that when I think about who I really love at this gym, that's a good point.

That's exactly who I love those people.

[00:16:15] David Syvertsen: I agree. All right. Here's a, here's another one athletes, a lot mistakes that we want to avoid as athletes. Okay. Showing up late. Okay. And I'm going to take, I'm going to take the coaching out of this, right? I mean like, yes, it's annoying, but honestly, I'm actually more, I'm less angry about it when people show up late.

I think I'm more sympathetic now that I have a kid. And I also know people at night, like just watching what Ashley's going through every day to try to make the five 15. If, especially if you show up late at night, like you're coming from work more power to you, dude. You're like, I don't think I can really ever criticize someone for that.

If you're constantly late at 5:00 AM, 6:00 AM, 7:00 AM. This is what I think in regards to showing up late. If you have body issues, if it takes you a long time to warm up, it takes me a long time to warm up. Like you got to not be the person walking in. 13 seconds before class in your slippers and then expect to be crushing a wad in 15 minutes like that, that, that is contributing to the issue.

And when I work out, like I don't like coming in early when I don't coach. So when Mike's coaching in the morning, I don't want to come early. Sometimes I have to, or I'm just going to, for training for, to work out. I try as hard as I can to get here at least 15 minutes early. Even if I'm just hopping on a bike for 10, 15 minutes.

I also wake up an hour to an hour and a half before I get to the gym. Like I don't, I think it's kind of foolish to wake up 15 minutes before you go work out. And I even just waking up your mind and moving on, I'm not saying go do a yoga session before you come in. But if you're, if you're like a mess, every time you come to the gym and then 15 minutes later, you're doing squat snatches.

Like what do you think's going to happen? So I, I really think that is what bothers me about people showing them. And if I had to do like a case study on this, I think I'd be pretty accurate. A lot of people that show up late are, are always the last one to show up or some of the most banged up people or people that have had serious injuries.

[00:18:04] Sam Rhee: Interesting. I would say this I'm I'm more hardcore about it. Not, not in a, you're an asshole way. Listen, if you show up late, you show up late and if you have a good reason you do, but you know what? I'm starting the class on time. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And if you miss the prewash talk.

[00:18:22] David Syvertsen: Yeah, yeah.

[00:18:23] Sam Rhee: Tough on you. I think punctuality is super important. Yeah. Like I've made that more of a priority in my life as I've gotten older, is that if you care about something, you're going to show up on time. Yeah. If you don't care about it,

[00:18:39] David Syvertsen: And you've proven that to a lot of things.

[00:18:41] Sam Rhee: If you don't care, then you will let other things impact it, and you're not going to allow the slop time that you need in case something happens or whatever. Like obviously unavoidable things can happen. Right. But if you're consistently, and we know that people who are consistently right. minutes, late habits.

[00:19:01] David Syvertsen: Yeah.

[00:19:02] Sam Rhee: Like to me, it's honestly it's disrespect or mo more disrespect to yourself. Like I said, yeah. Like you're not taking care of your body, right? Yeah. You're not giving yourself that full hour to manage your fitness properly. And that tells me something about you when you do that all the time.

[00:19:19] Mike DelaTorre: Right. When, when I was younger, meaning like five years ago, like it would really like really bother me when someone would show up late.

And that, that was like my ego, where it's like now like you guys are saying, if you show up late, things happen, whatever, but it's also a respect thing, for sure. If you're chronically late and you legit have no good reason for it yes, it's pretty much a disrespect to me, which I'm, it's fine.

I don't really care. But like you're saying, Sam, it's a disrespect, you and your preparation as an athlete, like right. There are times where I'll get in here, like 10 minutes early. And I will stretch because I know that my calves are really tight. My hamstrings are really tight. Like I'll just start to loosen up.

And that goes a long way into keeping me healthy. Gone are the days when I was in my twenties and I just, all right, cool, man. Here's the workout. Let me just take a barbell and just put some lightweight on it. Do some reps. All right, cool. Now I'm ready to go RX. Like those days are gone and honestly it's days like that, like when I treated my body like that, Contributed to some wear and tear that I currently have right now.

[00:20:31] David Syvertsen: Is it a cruise cruise?

[00:20:33] Mike DelaTorre: Yeah, dude. So if you can, showing up on time, it's not an ego thing as a coach, we just want to make sure that you guys are prepared. Right. And as an athlete for me, it's so stressful. If I'm late, I hate being late to things. I hate that feeling of not being ready to tackle a workout.

[00:20:49] Sam Rhee: I agree rushed. But the other thing is it's, it depends on the time, like I'm a 5, 6, 7 am or so we all have crap to do in the morning. We can't be late either to get in or, or to get out. I listen, if I'm coaching a 1:00 PM class, I'm going to sit there and crap on those people because culturally they've always showed up late. Yeah. It's just the thing.

[00:21:13] David Syvertsen: Yeah. Again I really, I want to keep trying as hard as we can to keep the coaching out of it. I really just want this to be on the athlete. If the athlete is showing up late a lot, I bet it's leading to issues that you just don't even see right now. Or honestly you do see them like saying correct me if I'm wrong, usually kill mine.

Taped up, like when you tape up pre-tape all right. So you do that at home? Yes. Why?

[00:21:33] Sam Rhee: Because it saves time so I can stretch and

[00:21:35] David Syvertsen: do my waste your time at the gym. That's a response. It's a little thing that I bet nobody noticed. I'd always noticed it because you used to do that at the gym.

When you were like, you had a couple, like a year, I feel like a year stretch where you, you were banged up a lot and you change a couple of habits and that's such a small little thing. That should I get gross for a second at why not? Okay. Your preWOD dump that you take in the morning, do it at home.

Well, Dave, I just woke up, I'll wake up early because I'll tell you what the, some of these guys that spend five minutes in there, like they miss like the warmup, the stretching, and and it's, it's such a valuable part of your workout. And I feel like we're only like, it's Hey man, as long as I'll just warm up as I go, or it's like, Hey, like we're not working out till 5 35.

So I'm going to get here at five. And you would benefit so much if you did some stuff at home, right. Prewod tape have your freaking sneakers on, right? Things like that, or just get on the bike. I really think a five minute assault bike at medium intensity would be probably 90% of what most people need prior to an early class.

And it's meant to help you. Right. It sounds like we're like shooting on people right now, but it's it's we want to help. And the help goes far beyond how we coach a class. I think some of the habits that people have that aren't, we're not asking a lot, right. Especially with the morning, you can get here five minutes earlier.

You can, you're just not used to it. It would help you out a lot.

[00:22:54] Mike DelaTorre: And dude, it's not like we're, if anything at least speaking for me, like I'm shitting on myself. Cause I know when it comes to say stretching and warming up, I will not do that at home. I will fool myself and say, oh yeah, I'm going to watch a ranger game.

Scratch. No, I'm going to lay down on the couch and watch a ranger game. You know what I mean? That's why coming to class and being on time is so important because I know that if I don't do that, I'm going to miss out on stuff that is integral to fucking fit into fitness.

[00:23:19] David Syvertsen: Yeah. Yeah. So this, this could be kind of like in the same paragraph is not truly paying attention.

Another mistake people make is not truly paying attention to a preWOD talk, the warm-up discussion and actual. And then the actual like movement prep and technique work, right. Because why, why do they come to bison to wad, right? That's why we're here. And that's what we're focused on. That's what we want to get after and more power to you.

But I, I think that the time leading up to your workout is literally just as important as your workout. And if you don't view it that way, if you don't view like the warmup, the technique work, listening to a coach know, getting a feel for the workout from the coach. , you're, you're selling yourself short.

It would almost be like going through halfway through Fran and be like, nah, I'm done. I'm going to stop. It's that? That's what I compare it to.

[00:24:09] Sam Rhee: I'm pretty guilty of this as an athlete. I'll sit there while we're stretching and be like, Hey, how'd your pick them do last? Or I'll be like, yeah. Yeah. Dave muscle cleans. Okay. Yeah. I know. Talk lean tall, clean talk, lean. I mean, I, I am so guilty of this and just you reminding me of this is making me think. Okay. Maybe on Monday when I come in for the 6:00 AM. Yeah. I will actually pay more attention. Right. Because I do it all the time. Right. Especially because I know you coaches, so.

That, you know how we're going to do it. I know how you guys are going to do it. Yeah. And so maybe, so it's a little bit maybe on both of us, as an athlete and as a coach, switch it up a little bit. Yeah. So I'm like, oh, this is a little different than, doing a bunch of tall cleans, which we always do.

Right. Or also me saying, get your head out of your ass and just actually think about it a little bit, because that probably will help me a little bit more.

[00:25:04] Mike DelaTorre: I think too, sometimes it's as coaches were the worst, because it's like I said, we know each other, and also it's yeah, we, we, we know what we're doing and and it's we know what we're doing.

So we're like, I, yeah I, I know how to do this and we can kind of gloss over stuff. Right. But I know that, from an athlete's perspective, all that technique work is like super, super valuable for sure.

[00:25:24] David Syvertsen: And I'll even say this to coaches, if you're listening to this because a lot of our code, all of our coaches are athletes as well.

Just remember like how you act in a class. People will see. I was just about to say that they will follow your lead. And whether you think you're a leader or not, if you're a coach here, you're a leader in one way or another, it might be two people. It might be 50 people, but people do look at you and if you're dicking around there in every warm up, they will do the same thing eventually.

Right. If you're you're skipping stuff they'll do the same thing at some point.

[00:25:51] Sam Rhee: And I, I realized, I was just thinking I don't have the best body language sometimes during warmups. And that's probably saying something to other people when they look at me and maybe I need to sort of be a little bit more f-ing professional.

[00:26:05] David Syvertsen: Yeah. Yeah. And it's, again, it's it's to help you. And I remember I had a good friend of mine that she coincidentally had a significant injury too, but she said she stopped doing class. She wants to do her own stuff in the open gym, back room at, at another gym. And she's yeah, like I don't want to spend the first seven minutes of my class coming over the freaking push press.

Like I know how to push press. And I just remember thinking I'm like, you probably don't warm up though. When you're back there, like you probably row stretch, check your phone and talk to your friends and you start working out like part of the process. Yeah, honestly, you guys probably don't need to go over the push press as athletes, but it's going to warm you up, at the end of the day you got to go, you have to go through the movement pattern.

And I think that's also a good time to evaluate how you feel. Like sometimes I don't really know how I feel and I'm really into a warmup. Yeah. Like I'll come in feeling like crap. But once I start going Ooh, I got some juice today. And I find that out during the warmup. That's why another reason why I feel like there's, there's, it's important.

All right. So letting your outside life dictate your effort and your approach, both in a good way in a better. It, this kind of this whole episode has kind of like a negative tune to it, which is fine. Not the life, isn't all like daisies, right. But this can be pot. This can be, this one can go in both directions.

Right? How many people do you guys know that when you know, things are going well, or they, that person has just has confidence. Things are going well at home, they had a good, run at work and making good money. They think they look good. So when they think they look good, they come in, they're like hustling and going after it and being in a smiling and helping people out.

But when they don't think they look good and when things aren't going well at home, they had, this had a huge expense that they didn't know is coming up. They're a jerk to be around. They're being uncoachable, they're being disrespectful. They're rolling their eyes, I hate. And if anyone here is listening that wants to piss me off, roll my, roll your eyes while I'm going over a workout.

I like kind of give details that are meant to help you and your slow ass out. Try to improve your little baby weights.

But the eye roll is, is just I can tell it's I honestly don't even take offense to it. I'm like, man, that person is having a bad day. Someone's up here, like putting thought into helping you out and you're rolling your eyes. Like what what's going on in your life that sucks that bad, right? Did you have a bad fantasy football loss or something?

So that's what do you guys think about that? Like your outside life having too strong, like what's going on outside these walls, having too strong of an impact on what's going on in here, because you can either compound your issues. By making, like having a crappy workout because you're having a crappy day or you can just put yourself on too much of a rollercoaster by, trying extra hard when you have having a good day.

[00:28:42] Mike DelaTorre: I mean, look man, like outside stuff where you are in your life is going to impact you as an athlete. Like human beings. Yeah. Like I'm 40, I got two kids. They're three years old, I take care of them. Most of the day, like I know that my training is way different than when I went to regionals in 2011 and even way different than five years ago.

So you have to be realistic right in that, in that aspect. But also when I'm in here, I treat it like almost like a way of meditating, because if this is my, my zone and when I'm working out all I'm thinking about as iron man, like, how am I moving? How does this feel? And that's all I'm thinking about. So I think.

If you can approach your workouts like that as an athlete. And it's hard, dude yeah, it takes practice and blah, blah, blah, but like just realize this is your zone. This is your place. And just focus on that. I think it goes a long way and you don't, you don't drag down the rest of the class, right?

[00:29:43] Sam Rhee: I mean, Pat Sherwood said, just have fun, make it the best hour of your day. And I will say in the years I've come, I've had bad crap happened during like professionally or personally. Good things happen professionally or personally it, when it, when things weren't so great out on the outside, this was a, it, this was my best hour of the day. And, and it was the only thing I could actually look at and be like, wow, this was good. And the reason was exactly for what you said, Mike, I wasn't, I couldn't think about anything else while I was in the middle of a WOD. You can't, if you think about whatever else is out there, you will, you're you're in trouble.

Because when I'm working out, all I'm thinking about is this, this sucks and how am I going to get through the next three rounds?

I just have to work on this, let me get five more kettlebell swings in. Let me do my 12 sit-ups and then move on to the next movement. That's all I'm thinking about. I can't literally think about anything else. And like you said, that is meditative when you can actually put yourself outside yourself and do something like that for a while, when I got out of the gym, it, it helped focus me. Yeah. So for most of my time, like I don't, I can only think of very few times where I've actually been in the middle of a WOD where something tried to push its itself in me. Oh, after this workout, I got to do this most of the time, it's, it's too easy to push. It's very easy to push that stuff out, think about what I have to do right now and get through it. And that, that helps me. So I've never brought a bad attitude and I mean, okay, I've brought that attitudes in, but when I've left, I've always felt better.

[00:31:23] David Syvertsen: Yes. Yeah. That's a big part of it. Sure.

[00:31:26] Sam Rhee: And I've never felt worse unless, I mean an injury or something, but that's pretty uncommon.

So I don't think anyone should ever feel like good, bad. What's going on on the outside should dictate what you're doing. Here. And most of the times when I'm really upset or not feeling great, I look at the people around me in class, and I know they don't care about any of that stuff, work together, working out.

I feel close to them, like we just went through this shitty workout together and, there's some bonding there, huge, huge amount. And so, that's always been one of the biggest things about CrossFit for me.

[00:32:03] David Syvertsen: Right.

[00:32:04] Mike DelaTorre: Dude, I was telling Dave so, I I've worked in a few places and there's some places I've worked at where the drive there, I would get this anxiety.

And and like when I would finally arrive, I would still get like this weird feeling, this weird anxiety. We're really lucky once again, as, as athletes here and from a community standpoint, whenever I come in here, even if I'm having a hard day outside of here, I instantly feel better. She's like, all right, cool.

Like I'm here now. Yeah.

[00:32:34] David Syvertsen: Yeah. And it's almost I feel like a Taf uses this a lot. You're always one workout away from having a good day. Yeah. It's kind of sounds kind of corny, but it is kind of true. Like what Sam just said to echo that, I always feel better walking out of here than I do, even if I had a brutal workout or if I feel like I didn't perform well, or like I do think outside life does dictate your performance and that's okay.

But I don't think you should ever dictate effort and approach. If you're going to come here, come here, be here 100%, don't, that, that issue that you have, that's going on outside. It's going to be there when you're done. All right. Whether you think about it during your workout or.

So why not put it to the side? Because I do think movement is medicine and it's not just physical medicine. I think it's good mental and emotional medicine. If you view it that way. Absolutely. Right. Yeah.

Here's, here's here's one striving for comfort that that's a huge mistake that athletes make.

And I'll tell you what no, who are the people that are, the guiltiest are the people that have been here the longest, like they're, they're sick of stuff being hard, like we tell them, we tell our new members, we tell our new members all the time. It's Hey, just so you know, like it's never going to get easy.

You're just going to get fitter and you gonna be trying to accomplish something else. Right? Like how many people do we know it got their first muscle up within the past four years. And now they're mad that they can't do five in a row. Right. But they, they worked so hard to get that muscle up. They had that feeling now it's okay, cool.

Get five in a row. Like I have at the ranks, and I think that it gets old. I think that's what burns people out across it. Sometimes like people that have do it for five, six years, they're just so sick of stuff being hard. And they just, they can't mentally handle it anymore. And I think that at that point they either leave, cross it.

Right. Or they just find this comfort zone. They never want to go hard again. They don't like that feeling of entering the dark place and then coming back out, right. Just for a few extra reps. And so that it can go in that direction. It could also go in the direction of what we've talked about earlier that you always want the same lane, the same box, the same pull-up bar, the same partner on Saturdays, the same coach.

And you always take off the same kind of workouts, right? Looking at you, people that's skip strength. They, striving for comfort is literally the worst thing you can do in CrossFit. Oh, yeah. If you are going for comfortable, you are slowly but surely. And I mean that with the people you work out with I actually, I don't like when people always want to work out the same people or they want to work out next to the same people for a lot of reasons.

I think I can kill a community in the culture, but I also think you're selling yourself short. That's a good point. Yeah.

[00:35:05] Sam Rhee: This is a hard one because comfort is what we strive for, right? Everyone does growth comes from uncomfort discomfort. There's there's never a situation in which I found myself growing where I grew and I was comfortable. It was always uncomfortable.

But the issue is, is how much discomfort can you put up with? I was looking at, this is a funny thing, cause I was actually looking and thinking about this, I looked at our list OG people back in 20 11, 20 12, 20 13, 20 14. Whenever we, you weren't around in 20 15, 20 14. Yeah, 2014. And I looked at that list of everyone who was around back then. And I look at, okay, how many of them around now? And some of them are moved, some have moved on to different places or different.

But the people that I saw and I'm not going to name the ones who sort of kinda fell off, I wanted to look at the ones who hung out and hung on. What is it about these people that are still allowing them to push on a, on a regular and consistent basis and benefit from this. Right. And, the people that stood out most, I mean, other than say Liz, but she's heavily involved in it.

Right. Was, one name was Nick Squire. He's been doing this for like almost, four or five years now. And I was like, wait even longer. Yeah. And I was like, what is it about Nick that makes him someone who hasn't cause we know a lot of older CrossFitters, I kind of lost their enthusiasm. They hit a couple setbacks.

They're kind of half-ass assing it. I'm sorry if you're old and half assing it I'm calling you out. I am, to be honest, and it's, and I, I see why, because you've done all of it and saying, okay, let's do another a thousand meter row as hard as you can.

And you're like, oh, I'm not going to do that. I already did that. And you know how painful that was. You know what it means to go to that dark place and you don't want to keep going to that dark place. Right. So, but it doesn't really seem very fun if you're only, putting in 50% of the effort.

Yeah. So, And honestly, I, first of all, Nick has an awesome attitude. He challenges himself, but he's also very realistic. Yeah. And he does push himself,

[00:37:09] David Syvertsen: And he's calculated.

[00:37:11] Sam Rhee: Yes. And so there's that balance where you have to figure out in your life. Okay. I know I need to get uncomfortable.

I am, in certain situations. So how am I going to do that? And balance it and, and just, you have to embrace it to a certain degree. I don't like being uncomfortable either. Listen, trust me. I don't, I'm every single workout, I'm nervous beforehand. I'm in the middle of it. And I'm like, why the am I doing this? Why? And then at the end, I'm like, okay, I know why.

[00:37:38] David Syvertsen: It brings you to new Heights. Right? You didn't have most people didn't have that outlook when they start. I think, I think some people were tougher when they started than they are now. And it's basically because they were naive, like they didn't know really what it was.

And also the longer you get into CrossFit, the fewer and far between the PRS come.

[00:37:57] Sam Rhee: And, and look at your movements, you might know how to do power cleans perfectly, but are they really perfect? You might feel really comfortable with 135 on the bar all the time. Can you try something different? You should try to think about these things because if you don't that's where you start losing interest in it, right? Yeah. Yeah. And, listen, we're not going to be able to sort of fix that for you as a coach. You're gonna, it's gonna have to come from within you. And it's totally fine if you're like, I'm in CrossFit and just like you did, you moved into like performance for a little while and you learn something from there.

But honestly, if you really believe in the CrossFit methodology, you're going to have to come back because I honestly believe there's very few things in fitness that has as much potential and is as open-ended as CrossFit is. And it's always going to be there challenging you if you decide to take it up, listen, if you don't want to feel uncomfortable anymore, if you don't want to do that thousand meter row, good on you. For me, I'm going to take that up, at least as much as I think I can.

[00:38:59] David Syvertsen: You're selling yourself short if you don't.

[00:39:01] Sam Rhee: I, I agree. I agree. Okay. I agree.

[00:39:03] Mike DelaTorre: There's always something to get better at. I think that's something that people have to realize I I've talked about it all the time.

That's the hardest part for me as an older CrossFitter or for having done this for X amount of years. Sending myself to that place where I know it's going to hurt really bad and look like, I don't do that all the time, like limit, right. And every, every workout has a different sort of purpose, different sort of goal, but you know, the workouts where you have to send it.

Yep. And you gotta be all in, in order to get the full benefit of whatever you're doing. And a lot of dudents, saying like you're saying, a lot of that is, is, is on the athlete.

[00:39:41] Sam Rhee: And don't compete against yourself. I think a lot of the things that older athletes do is they're competing with themselves and it's Nick Squire does not compete.

He doesn't look at his PR when he's doing his hang power clean. If he does what he thinks is pretty good that day. Like with his effort, he's really happy with it. He's not trying to say, okay, three years ago I hit, 285 on that. So I got to do that. Now you do that, and you're sunk like that being uncomfortable does not mean, reaching where you were before.

[00:40:09] Mike DelaTorre: Right? Right.

[00:40:11] David Syvertsen: All right. Next one, athletes that try to coach slash not knowing their place. So this is what I mean by that. I'm all about people helping other people, whether you're a coach or not, but there's a line that I think some athletes will go over to try and almost to teach and coach somebody else.

There's someone that is not with us right now that was with us the first few years. And she did this all the time and it pissed me off so much because it revolved around nothing with my own coaching or ego. It revolved around that person did not know enough about the athlete and that PA and that athlete was always about go harder, go heavier.

No, no, no, go heavier. Go all you got that go heavier. And I'm watching the. Person that they're talking to, like their knees are almost touching when they squat, because their needs are caving so much, but you know, they stood it up. So this, this athlete is yo, go heavier, go heavier. And it really it made me despise that person.

Maybe that's my own fault, but it's true. And that was like, she always used to say oh, you don't like me. You don't like me. I'm like shut up. Like I do. Like you you're disrespectful to our gym, my brand, the coaching, the athletes. Like I don't have to really coach someone. You need to know their story.

You need to know what they're going through. You need to know what they did last week. You need to know what's bothering them. You need to know their history. Right. And that only comes with time, right? Like someone that just started our gym last week, I'm going to coach them to the best of my ability.

I don't know enough about him or her to really, really coach him. But if that person is here two, three years from now, I can really coach that person because I know. What they're going through. We talk, we, I, I observe, some random person that just met you in class five minutes ago, telling you what weight to put on your bar.

You got to know your place, that when you're here as an athlete, like you're not going to hurt anyone's feelings in the world. If you never coach any person. Yeah. For sure. The impact you're making there is, it can be helpful and I've seen other athletes help other people, but you need to know when and when not to.

And if you're not sure don't bother.

[00:42:14] Mike DelaTorre: Okay. I mean, even just taking a class, for myself as a coach, when I'm in class, I'm an athlete. So if someone asks me a question, I'm not gonna say, oh, I'll do whatever. Like I'm going to help them. But yeah. I just want to get my workout in.

Right. I feel like people are trying to be helpful for sure. But you know, Dave, like you're saying, that's the danger when. You don't know a person's backstory there's, there's people in here with physical limitations, they came in with physical limitations. So I know that maybe this person can't get below a parallel right.

In their squat. And if you don't know that, if you don't know that person's story, what's right.

[00:42:51] Sam Rhee: The athlete next to them is oh, you should go a little deeper. And then it's suddenly oh

[00:42:54] David Syvertsen: yeah, no, you just don't know, you don't pay attention to the other things. Like I I'll watch when we do a heavy day, I have made a habit over this over the years.

If I see someone like on a really tough set, single double, triple whatever, and I'll look at them like probably 30 seconds to a minute after the set, not right after once the endorphins wear off and the adrenaline's gone are they kind of like here grabbing their knee? Like all of a sudden doing a pigeon pose in the middle of a watt.

It's okay, I noticed that I will see that I am not going to go tell them to go have your all, I will go to them. Okay. You're done. Or just maybe try to clean it up a little bit. And whereas someone else is yo, you got it. Last time you got, you got the more, 10 more pounds that you did not, you were not watching because you're not coaching.

Right. So like a coach, it's a, it's an hour, like an hour class. It's an hour long job. Right. If you're an athlete, that's trying to coach your view and the coaching as, a 15 second responsibility that you're just going to help someone out, oh, try this when you do the muscle-up. No, no, no, they're not doing the Muslim yet, dude.

Like they don't have enough pull-up strength, their shoulders bothering them. I really think it's just in the athlete's best interest and the other athletes best interests to just never coach, unless someone really seeks you out. Like how do you do that? Like that, that's fine. Go for it. But know your place as a, as an athlete here.

[00:44:17] Sam Rhee: I think it's. I learned this just coaching last Saturday, when, as the coach, there was an athlete doing overhead squats. And that was the comment I made earlier. It's oh, your first couple are really good. I mean, a little shallow. And then you start to go deeper and she's yeah, my right knee, isn't really good.

And it really clicks a lot. And so I have to be really mindful of it. And I was really glad I wasn't in the middle of the WOD telling her to go deeper. I told her afterwards, like I was talking to her because if I did, and maybe she disregarded what she was feeling, and just kept going.

Possibly had some issues. It speaks to me about coaching when you don't know somebody well, that you have to be very mindful and as an athlete coaching an other athlete, you're probably the least, unless you happen to know that person really well, you're probably the least knowledgeable about that other athlete.

And I really respect the coaches, like you said, who really know the ins and outs of athletes day in and day out. It's not easy. I remember on an open gym, the day that Steven O' Dea hit his bar muscle up. Right. Well, I was thinking about it afterwards because I saw him. I was like, that was that was great.

And I did give him some tips. I talked to him about how that last part of the bringing the hips to the bar has to be really quick with that turnover. Right. And he did get it, and at the time. Oh, I helped him get it. Yeah. And then afterwards I talked to him and he's oh yeah, I was trying to do it a couple more in there, like my shoulders, a little, like it's not feeling great.

Right. First of all, I felt really badly because I helped him, but then maybe I didn't help him. Right. I was worried about that. But then I was like, well, the other thing is, is as a coach, a coach would know how many reps to do. And I saw him and I wasn't thinking about that.

He had done probably like 15 attempts beforehand or more. And then once he got it, he did four or five more maybe after that. Right. And I was not in coach mind, but if I was in coach mind, I would have been. You got it. All right. Chill. You just worked your shoulder off, 15, 18, 20 times.

I was just in next door athlete mind where I was like, okay, just move your hips, like up quicker. And then he kept going and I was just like, yeah, that's the thing, there's a totally different mindset when you're just an athlete giving advice, as opposed to a coach who is thinking about it and thinking about it and thinking about it.

[00:46:40] David Syvertsen: Right. And seeing that person do it several times. So that's it. Last one I have it's, it's two combined into one, but it's ego. And I don't want to just say ego. It gets a little too, like too, too broad. So ego. And the bullet point I have underneath it is putting excuses. On outside factor factors rather than yourself.

And I just, I always, I bring this poke up a lot that Adam Ramsden gave me called extreme ownership by Jocko. Right. And it's just I mean, even George Sedaris has now had his entire company by it and they're all reading it and talking about it. It's kind of cool. And he's telling me what some of the stuff they're doing with it.

And it really does. If we could try and convince ourselves, even though this is not always true, but if you can kind of put yourself under this mindset that everything that's happening that is going wrong, or every, every negative that in relation to CrossFit your body, your health is your fault. All right.

What would like, what would the response be? Like what, what would you, where would your mind go? If I had to say, Hey Dave, the reason why you're really bad at pistols, right? Is completely your fault. Break that down for me and let's go. Right. Rather than I could probably give a lot of different, like lame excuses that are just going to men are just put out there to make myself feel better.

[00:47:54] Sam Rhee: No, it's because you over-programmed them Dave, and that I'm injured. You, you did too many of these.

[00:48:01] David Syvertsen: So the it's I think that if we get away from placing blame on others, right. And we're talking about athletes, see mistakes that athletes make. If you get away from putting excuses on other things, other people programming, coaching, right.

And really step out, look at yourself from the outside perspective and be like, all right, what can I do to get better? I think that's all you would need to get better. I don't think you would need any, any other, the other excuses to get fixed. And I'm big on that. I that's where I want everyone to be. Like, I want you guys to be like that as coaches and athletes.

I want myself to be like that as, as a coach and F. Is if I'm unhappy about something or I think something's going wrong, what can I do to fix it? What can I do to improve the, oh, do I

[00:48:47] Mike DelaTorre: mean the, the wear and tear that, and I'm making it sound like an like crippled. I'm not, I'm not fine. But you know, I do the a 40 year old body.

I'm 40, a 40 year old body. Just, it definitely behaves way different than like a 25 year old body. Right. So, and a huge part of that for me, is the wear and tear that I've experienced through the years and not just the CrossFit, but I've been lifting heavy for a long, long time. I was into cross-country oddly enough, I was into cross-country for, for a while.

I was running a lot there's things that has th that have accumulated over time that I know are my fault. So like the wear and tear that I feel, I know that man, no one did that to me, but, but myself, and if, as long as I can take ownership of that, it helps me. Move forward. No.

Then it's yeah. Do you like, alright, this is what's going on. You did it. What can you do now to, to make it better? And dude, you're right. If athletes can keep that in mind, like, all right, what am I doing that can, that is affecting me? What, what, what can I do to make the situation better?

Even if it's just a tiny little change, like maybe it is getting to class five minutes early, like waking up five to 10 minutes early. Maybe it's trying to go to bed like a half hour, early, 10 minutes early. I don't know, like stuff like that, taking that ownership will make a huge, huge difference.

[00:50:09] Sam Rhee: I don't know I was going to, I don't know if I should bring this up because I don't know if we want to talk talking about injuries is not so great in CrossFit and maybe I won't name a name, but well I'll, I'll bring it up and then we can see where it goes. Are there things where the athlete's was this my fault? Or it just happened.

So someone was benching and they blew a pec out. Right. And they had surgery. And I was thinking about this guy and we did bench, but we weren't doing a ton of benching. It wasn't like we were benching so much or we were one rep max maxing or anything.

Was it the program? I was like, no, it really wasn't. This wasn't the first time he had we had done bench like ever, we had a program the week before week before that. So that's not it. And it wasn't like a one rep max situation or some other really unsafe situation.

There was a spotter there actually who, and it wasn't that it was an unsafe situation. And so could that athletes say. This is my fault. I need to own this. Or is this just an, a really unfortunate situation where, because I, I know some athletes, I would say this is the gym's fault and there would be people who are bitter about something like this.

And I can tell you that in some situations, and it's more obvious than others. It certainly I don't think was the anyone's fault, it happened. Right. And so

[00:51:37] David Syvertsen: w and it can happen to any one of us. Yeah. Right.

[00:51:40] Sam Rhee: And so where does that put us with this extreme ownership? Yup.

[00:51:45] Mike DelaTorre: Well, ha now we know the background of this athlete, like Dave and I have known this person for a very long time. And they have coaching experience and, they take care of themselves.

[00:51:55] Sam Rhee: Awesome person. So good about taking care of themselves.

[00:51:58] Mike DelaTorre: Very, very smart. And this is one of those situations where it just, it just happened. Right. I mean, it could be something as simple as he was dehydrated and like his, his water intake wasn't great for the, for the past, previous a couple of days and it just decided the tenants decided to go that's a hard part about being an athlete, whether it's CrossFit or some other method of training or some other sport, right. There's some times where things like this just just happened,

[00:52:26] David Syvertsen: Hey, I remember this and I'm friends with this person. I've known him since 2012. So that was weddings at my wedding. Right. Okay. It ruined my day because I just felt so bad for him. I felt so bad. He was in so much pain and we all knew before he even went home, like that's, that's, shit's torn and ruptured. Right. And I remember talking to a couple of people that day, like PTs, also doctors.

Right. And it's almost like people are, are you okay? I'm like, I'm fine. Like why? But like I re I re respected it and appreciate it. Some people like, are you okay? He's it's tough to see. It's tough to watch someone go through something like that. We've never had a situation like that by some before where someone got that hurt in a workout.

Right. And I was kinda just I had this pit in my stomach the whole day, and I never had this feeling of what did I do? What did I do? Did I go back and look at the programming? Absolutely. That I was like, am I looking at every, the other, 150 people that came to the gym is anyone else banged up right now?

You have to do that. You have to self examine. You have to be able to do that. But I remember these, the doctor and the PT, but Hey, just so you know, there's nothing you did that was wrong. And I was like, I never really went down the path of, did I do anything wrong? But I did look into, alright, I need to make sure that this isn't happening again.

Everything I can do within my power, right? Again, extreme ownership. What I'm not going to do is be like, that's his fault. He didn't warm up enough, but the, the answer was, and this is also a very, not a, I want to say, terminate as fun and interesting debate. If you guys pay attention to pro sports right now, like sports range injuries in sports right now are rampant compared to 10 years ago, 20 years ago, like ACL's Achilles and tendons, like so much more comps, a lot of soft tissue injuries.

Right. And. Nobody can figure it out. Nobody can like the smartest minds in the world. Can't figure out why almost every pitcher tears their UC on their elbow during their career.

[00:54:19] Sam Rhee: Isn't a nut because they're all expected to throw 95 plus

[00:54:23] David Syvertsen: now, like I guess some of these guys there's no, there's nothing that has nothing to do with velocity or spin rate or curve balls, or how many breaking balls they throw that there's no correlation to who does get hurt and who doesn't.

So what the, what the answer seems to be the underlying answer is there is probably some sort of undiagnosed weakness somewhere else that was just putting too much strain. Now this person has decent mobility, not great, decent flexibility, not great, good body weight, strength, responsible moves. Well even said there was nothing, there was no max feel in the set.

It was just a heavy just, but no max feel warmed up progressively, and there are situations. That it's a free thing. It happened, right. There's a reason behind everything, but some of the stuff we're just never going to figure out it could be a genetic makeup thing. Right. Tom Kay had a genetic makeup that really led to his heart attack.

[00:55:19] Sam Rhee: And he smoked like a pack a day for 15.

[00:55:22] David Syvertsen: Right. And there's, again, there's things that you might have done for the past 15 years. Like the way you sit at work, right? This person sits at a desk like this for, I don't know how many hours a day, but he's been doing this for years and all of a sudden we're here. Right. We talk about posture and mobility all the time.

A lot of our athletes do that. Oh, now you're scaring me. Why doesn't that happen to them? And these are some of the like life's questions we can't answer. And I've talked to him several times since then. And again, just a great dude, great mindset right now that he's I'll be back in six to nine months, like full bore, blah, blah, blah.

And it takes a special person to go. And I think this is part of what makes him a good person or a smart, successful person is he's not, he did not reach out and be like, yo, you for programming that dude, you got me hurt.

[00:56:09] Sam Rhee: Cause there's some people that would be unbearably bitter.

[00:56:11] David Syvertsen: Oh my God. Yeah. There are people right now that are bitter.

They're very bitter about something that hurts on their body. Yeah. And it's, it's always someone else's fault. I blame bison. Yeah. Putting bias in blame closet, blame Dave right. And it, it, this is exactly what I'm talking. This is a mistake that co athletes make like, when's the last time you heard that person ever say, I, you know what, like I just sold my show, my sold myself short and a few areas.

You almost never hear it. You really? And I taught like, when I hear someone say that my respect for that person. Yeah. A million.

[00:56:43] Sam Rhee: I think the, the lesson I'm taking away from this right now is, is extreme ownership also means if something happens, owning what you do afterwards, because shit will happen. And sometimes you will not expect it.

[00:56:57] David Syvertsen: I tell people that all the time, dude. Yeah.

[00:56:59] Sam Rhee: And yeah. And so I shouldn't be either surprised when shit happens. Right. And the next thing I need to do, because it may be out of my control. Right. Maybe I, I contributed to it in some way. I'm not sure. Maybe I'll never know. Right. But what I can do is decide what I'm going

[00:57:17] David Syvertsen: to do, your response after that condition, your response, that you should figure that out now.

[00:57:21] Sam Rhee: Right? So that ownership is, is that if that happens to me, how am I going to, to own my response afterwards. And when I see this this athlete, I'm going to be like, okay, this is how I'm going to model myself. Right? When, and if something similar were to happen, how am I going to own it and move on from it and not sit there in bitterness, blaming someone else and not moving past.

[00:57:46] David Syvertsen: It's not a good look. So if, if anyone out there is like bitter about that, every time something bad happens to themselves, and it's always somebody else's fault, right? It's, it's a bad look and you're not accomplishing anything other than just kind of fulfilling your own. Your your, all your hit to your ego, right?

Yeah. If a coach comes in and gets more attention to somebody else and you want to bitch about it like it's, it's in the same exact ballpark, it's a bad look. It's not making you better. That's the problem. It's a bad look. It's a very, very self centered look. All right. So that was I think that was a good mix of, of, probably some venting on our side, but I know athletes want to vent about their coaches as well.

And again the three of us probably have learned from more of our own mistakes, and I think that's part of where we're coming from. And I don't know if everyone really understands how much we see here. I think a lot of people are just so zeroed in on themselves and their class. Like we see so much stuff here and we have for so long that these are mistakes we see all the time. And if you can avoid them or if you're currently making them right now I hope you can take our word for it. Not that we that, not that we're know-it-alls, but I do think that we have a good mix of credibility and humility up here that it's meant to help you guys out. And if we didn't care about them and we didn't care about you just cared about you paying your membership and then coming in here and, and doing your thing, we wouldn't do an episode on this. We really wouldn't because I know it could rub some people the wrong way. But part of a coach's job, we've talked about some before we're not your friends all the time, we're here to help you out. And yes, we have some friends outside of that, but we're here to help you out.

And part of helping out is having some hard conversations. Yeah. All right.

[00:59:25] Mike DelaTorre: Woo. That was good.